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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    That is the direction Gary touches base with. He's not a conservative but does view himself as a Classic Liberal. Whatever he is, he makes a lot of sense on many things. He's very likeable.

    As for predicting the demise of the GOP regarding winning national elections, it's different this time. There's a completely different element today that didn't exist before which in their present ideology, they won't be able to adjust to. The GOP's message doesn't resonate with minorities and that's who won the election. A coalition of minorities; blacks, latino's, women, gays, Asians, youth, and a sufficient number of whites, voted for Obama and the Dems. They picked up Senate seats and got 1 million more votes for the House candidates. This coalition of minorities combines to be a majority, and unless the GOP is able to understand why they aren't liked...they'll continue to lose. These minority groups know very well that they aren't liked by Republicans. They don't like blacks ( never have) they try to kill the Dream Act and see Latino's as illegals, they vote for transvaginal ultra sounds for a woman seeking an abortion, they vote against equal pay for women, they fight against planned parenthood, contraception, a womens right to her own body, they oppose same sex marriage, and hate gays in the military. They've fought against blacks, latino's, women, and gays. Why would any of those groups align themselves with people that hate them and can't identify with them at all?

    The GOP seems to think that if they just get their message across, they'll win these people over. It's all in the messaging and the right candidate to deliver it. They don't even stop to think that it's the message itself that doesn't work. And that message is the core identity to the GOP. It's embedded into conservatism which is the ideology itself. Unless their ideology changes, they've lost these groups forever, and they aren't about to change the ideology, because part of what makes them conservative is they fight to maintain existing institutions. To give up on conservatism is to admit defeat which they'll never do. But the ideology itself doesn't relate to minorities and they are the demographic power in the country now. Wasn't like that before. This is different.
    I think if the GOP goes back to what is termed traditional conservatism instead of the bastard edition that they espouse today, it could very well catch on or catch back on. Let me list the three tenets of traditional conservatism and see what you think.

    1. Stay away from foreign entanglement and alliances, war on foreign soils unless the United States is attacked or her national security is directly threaten. Back in the old days, some would call this isolationism. I have never understood why we continue to fund and expand NATO, NATO did its job and as far as I am concerned, it should have ceased once theUSSR broke up or shortly after.

    2. Fiscal Responsibility This basically means a balance budget, do not spend more than you take in. Applying this to today's situation with trillion dollar deficits and 16, going on 17 trillion dollar debt, it means applying a solution that raises revenues, tax increases if you will, and cuts in spending. Both, not just low tax rates as the GOP thinks it means.

    3. Small Government - A government that stays out of a citizens private business and lives. Sure the GOP today wants the government out of business, but they want the government in every citizens private life. I view them more as a statist party than a conservatives party today when it comes to things like abortion, gay marriage, immigration etc. I like the lazzie fair attitude when it comes to how people live their lives, if they are not harming other, let them be and let them lead their life as they see fit. In simple English, get rid of the Religious Right.

    Would this help the GOP return, I don't know. They sure do not believe in any of these tenets of true/traditional conservatism and there in lies the crux. what they practice is neo conservatism, not real conservatism. We shall see, time will tell and all those adages. Although I see both major parties beholding to their special interests, their big money donors etc. I would hate to see where one party gains a monopoly in this country where the other party becomes irrelevant. That would be akin to dictatorial rule. I have noticed where ever one party rules a city, a state, a community for a very long time and doesn't have to worry about being defeated in the polls, sooner or later the government they provide becomes corrupt and self serving. I do hope that is not the path this nation is headed down.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think if the GOP goes back to what is termed traditional conservatism instead of the bastard edition that they espouse today, it could very well catch on or catch back on. Let me list the three tenets of traditional conservatism and see what you think.

    1. Stay away from foreign entanglement and alliances, war on foreign soils unless the United States is attacked or her national security is directly threaten. Back in the old days, some would call this isolationism. I have never understood why we continue to fund and expand NATO, NATO did its job and as far as I am concerned, it should have ceased once theUSSR broke up or shortly after.

    2. Fiscal Responsibility This basically means a balance budget, do not spend more than you take in. Applying this to today's situation with trillion dollar deficits and 16, going on 17 trillion dollar debt, it means applying a solution that raises revenues, tax increases if you will, and cuts in spending. Both, not just low tax rates as the GOP thinks it means.

    3. Small Government - A government that stays out of a citizens private business and lives. Sure the GOP today wants the government out of business, but they want the government in every citizens private life. I view them more as a statist party than a conservatives party today when it comes to things like abortion, gay marriage, immigration etc. I like the lazzie fair attitude when it comes to how people live their lives, if they are not harming other, let them be and let them lead their life as they see fit. In simple English, get rid of the Religious Right.

    Would this help the GOP return, I don't know. They sure do not believe in any of these tenets of true/traditional conservatism and there in lies the crux. what they practice is neo conservatism, not real conservatism. We shall see, time will tell and all those adages. Although I see both major parties beholding to their special interests, their big money donors etc. I would hate to see where one party gains a monopoly in this country where the other party becomes irrelevant. That would be akin to dictatorial rule. I have noticed where ever one party rules a city, a state, a community for a very long time and doesn't have to worry about being defeated in the polls, sooner or later the government they provide becomes corrupt and self serving. I do hope that is not the path this nation is headed down.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i'm betting you voted for Gary Johnson
    That I did.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Robbie. I like to eat hamburgers too. The question is not whether I like hamburgers, but whether I am the biggest hamburger eater out there.

    Is this within your grasp ?
    Get back to me when your boys eat as big a hamburger on this issue as this lady just did the other day shown in this four minute vid...



    This is soooooooo worth the watching.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Get back to me when your boys eat as big a hamburger on this issue as this lady just did the other day shown in this four minute vid...



    This is soooooooo worth the watching.

    Uh...this has what to do with SOTU?
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Get back to me when your boys eat as big a hamburger on this issue as this lady just did the other day shown in this four minute vid...



    This is soooooooo worth the watching.

    She is absolutely correct!
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Uh...this has what to do with SOTU?
    This is page 113 of this thread. Conversations tend to progress in that time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    This is page 113 of this thread. Conversations tend to progress in that time.
    For progressives...

    BTW, Warren is fortunate she won her Senate seat AND BHO didn't nominate her for CFPH head else she could have been sitting on the panel's table...
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    For progressives...

    BTW, Warren is fortunate she won her Senate seat AND BHO didn't nominate her for CFPH head else she could have been sitting on the panel's table...
    Fortunately she didn't, because she has a helluva lot more pull now in the position she's in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Fortunately she didn't, because she has a helluva lot more pull now in the position she's in.
    I'm not sure I agree with this. The basis for this deviation from the OP is your posting of a video that shows Warren quizzing heads of organizations on why they haven't brought WS folks to court. I don't think she has the power NOW to do that...which she presumably would have heading up CFPH...as she is asserting (questionably).

    Further, I don't thing the agencies she queried have the ability to 'take x to court'. IIRC their duty is furnish the results of their investigations to DA's/Att. Gen/ Justice dept for review and prosecution. Considering this Warren was merely grandstanding...she is going to fit right in!
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