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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This recovery may be the weakest on record. Unemployment was lower on every day of the GWB administration than it has been on any day of the BHO administration.
    Everyday?? Well, that would include when he came into office right? Unemployment was at 4.7% when he took office. That's what Bush had to work with. When he left it was at 7.8%. That's where it was on the day that Obama was inaugurated in his first term. It was at 8.3% in Feb after his first full month. We were still hemoraging jobs. It peaked at 10%. By October of 2012 it was brought back down to 7.9%

    4,317,000 TOTAL jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST in from the time Obama took office until the "trough" of the recession in early 2010. That's a decrease of 3.2%.
    4,777,000 jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were CREATED from the "trough" of the recession until now, December 2012. That's an increase of 3.7%.
    In total, 460,000 jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were ADDED from the time Obama took office until now, December 2012. That's an increase of 0.3%.
    We have experienced 27 months WITHOUT job losses since September 2010. We have ADDED 4,136,000 jobs during those 27 months.
    We now have 134, 021,000 TOTAL non-farm jobs.

    102,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the time Obama took office until the "trough" of the recession in early 2010. That's a decrease of .47% (about half of a percent).
    Another 546,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the "trough" of the recession until now, December 2012. That's a decrease of 2.4%.
    In total, 651,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the time Obama took office until now, December 2012. That's a decrease of 2.9%. A large portion of these jobs, at least 270,000, have been lost in the "Local Government - Education" sector. (Teachers.)
    We have experienced decreases in the number of government jobs in 25 out of the last 30 months, starting in June 2010, when the layoff of 2010 Census workers began. However, we have experienced slight increases in the number of government jobs in the last 3 out of the last 6 months.
    We now have 21,925,000 GOVERNMENT jobs, not including people in the military. (Civilians employed by the U.S. and working for the military are counted.)
    With Benchmark Revisions:
    Another 576,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the "trough" of the recession until now, December 2012.
    In total, 718,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the time Obama took office until now, December 2012.
    We now have 21,858,000 GOVERNMENT jobs, not including people in the military. (Civilians employed by the U.S. and working for the military are counted.)

    Unfortunately, those government job losses represent real people who've lost a job. They're part of the unemployment figure. We shouldn't complain to vigorously about unemployment when we insist on cutting their jobs. So the jobs are cut, and they're out of work, and the complaints about unemployment come forth. That's a bit disingenuous isn't it? If you want to cut government jobs, then you must accept the unemployment figures that accompany that.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Unemployment was lower on every day of the GWB administration than it has been on any day of the BHO administration.
    That statement means that BO has four years to catch up with dubya eh?
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    65 million is closer. I think if the only choice on the ballot was Romney and Obama, I would have voted for Obama as the least worst candidate. But there was other choices on my ballot and I voted for Gary Johnson whom seem to me to actually have a couple of common sense solutions to our problems.
    Gary Johnson is a good man. Too good for the Republican Party it seems. If the Republicans ever came around to Gary's thinking they'd be viable once again. I like him. He calls himself a Classical Liberal.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Gary Johnson is a good man. Too good for the Republican Party it seems. If the Republicans ever came around to Gary's thinking they'd be viable once again. I like him. He calls himself a Classical Liberal.
    Careful my friend. Talk about one party or the other becoming irrelevant or in this case viable after an bad election loss has abounded for a very long time. This kind of talk hoovered over the Republicans from 1932-52, then IKE struck back. After 1964, this same kind of talk was to be heard all over. After 1974 and Watergate, the Republicans were dead only to rebound nicely with Reagan in 1980. During Reagan came the southern lock and a few books on how the Democrats will never win another presidential election. Now we are back to the Republicans fading away again.

    I do agree on Johnson, where does a person, a candidate if you will ran as if he is a fiscal conservative and socially liberal? I like the term classical liberal. That brings to my mind people like John Adams and Ben Franklin. The liberals of their day or what one would term traditional liberal. Progressive thinkers that believed in individual liberty.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    That statement means that BO has four years to catch up with dubya eh?
    Only if you disregard the first four years of Bush vs BHO. We'll see what BHO's second term looks like as we go, but so far, Bush is still leading.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    That statement means that BO has four years to catch up with dubya
    eh?
    I like the optimism, especially in the face of such disaster.

    I mean Obama's really making a run for it isn't he.

    And who said Obama's deficits were not permanent ?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    That statement means that BO has four years to catch up with dubya eh?
    BHO has his full second term to try to achieve for one day what GWB achieved every day.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    It remains true that unemployment was lower on every day of the GWB administration than it has been on any day of the BHO administration.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Everyday?? Well, that would include when he came into office right? Unemployment
    was at 4.7% when he took office. That's what Bush had to work with. When he left it was at 7.8%. That's where it was on the day that Obama was inaugurated in his first term. It was at 8.3% in Feb after his first full month. We were still hemoraging jobs. It peaked at 10%. By October of 2012 it was brought back down to 7.9%

    4,317,000 TOTAL jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST in from the time Obama took office until the "trough" of the recession in early 2010. That's a decrease of 3.2%.
    4,777,000 jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were CREATED from the "trough" of the recession until now, December 2012. That's an increase of 3.7%.
    In total, 460,000 jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were ADDED from the time Obama took office until now, December 2012. That's an increase of 0.3%.
    We have experienced 27 months WITHOUT job losses since September 2010. We have ADDED 4,136,000 jobs during those 27 months.
    We now have 134, 021,000 TOTAL non-farm jobs.

    102,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the time Obama took office until the "trough" of the recession in early 2010. That's a decrease of .47% (about half of a percent).
    Another 546,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the "trough" of the recession until now, December 2012. That's a decrease of 2.4%.
    In total, 651,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the time Obama took office until now, December 2012. That's a decrease of 2.9%. A large portion of these jobs, at least 270,000, have been lost in the "Local Government - Education" sector. (Teachers.)
    We have experienced decreases in the number of government jobs in 25 out of the last 30 months, starting in June 2010, when the layoff of 2010 Census workers began. However, we have experienced slight increases in the number of government jobs in the last 3 out of the last 6 months.
    We now have 21,925,000 GOVERNMENT jobs, not including people in the military. (Civilians employed by the U.S. and working for the military are counted.)
    With Benchmark Revisions:
    Another 576,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the "trough" of the recession until now, December 2012.
    In total, 718,000 GOVERNMENT jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) were LOST from the time Obama took office until now, December 2012.
    We now have 21,858,000 GOVERNMENT jobs, not including people in the military. (Civilians employed by the U.S. and working for the military are counted.)

    Unfortunately, those government job losses represent real people who've lost a job. They're part of the unemployment figure. We shouldn't complain to vigorously about unemployment when we insist on cutting their jobs. So the jobs are cut, and they're out of work, and the complaints about unemployment come forth. That's a bit disingenuous isn't it? If you want to cut government jobs, then you must accept the unemployment figures that accompany that.
    Sigh...Obama's 7.9 % is minus 8,500,000 jobs from the nations workforce.

    The "Great Bush Recession" is actually the end of a Democrat mandated bubble that was built under Clinton. HUD policies forced the GSEs to conform to a quota system and to help HUD along Clinton replaced all the Executives at Fannie and Freddie from 1993-1998.

    Your 718,000 number is absolute bunk.

    Your " jobs lost " number doesn't take into account the shrinking job market, under employment, people who have dropped off the books, etc

    You know all the things you would have mentioned if a Republican was in office. You didn't mention the massive structural debt, thats increasing , rising dependence, rising cost for Federal programs, rising welfare cost, food stamps.

    Oh yea I can see the comparison to Reagan already.

    You didn'nt mention the massive record reserves the banks are holding or the fact they're getting paid interest on those reserves since 2008.

    You libs go on about the bailouts but are too limited to see the banks are getting a sweeter deal under Obama than any other President.

    You go on about WallStreet repeating the manufactured eat the rich narrative with out admitting to the Feds policies which are pumping billions into Wall Street.

    Your whole post is disengenous and its why you libs constantly get walked a over when you come here.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    That statement means that BO has four years to catch up with dubya eh?
    It means Obama sucks. But as you need "Bush" in every thought to keep the Obama kneepads on, then knock yourself out. Just get in line behind Reggie Love.

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