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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And who is to blame for the remaining ten and half?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Apparently that is what you want to see because you are too lazy to do any independent research using verifiable non partisan sites. Hard to deal with people like you who lack leadership skills or understanding. Placing blame on someone else will only get you so far until you are faced with reality.

    I assure you that I am not going to lose any sleep over losing credibility with you. You however are going to wake up someday and wonder how liberalism made such a fool out of you, maybe that will happen when you get your first job.

    There has been no worse recession than the one the president inherited since the Great Depression. Bank losses in this recession were much worse than in '29 that precipitated the Great Depression. Without the stimulus efforts we would have gone into another Great Depression rather than things getting better as they are now.

    And just has we had to make corrections for the top down approach of the 20's, we are once again having to make corrections for the top down approach.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There has been no worse recession than the one the president inherited since the Great Depression. Bank losses in this recession were much worse than in '29 that precipitated the Great Depression. Without the stimulus efforts we would have gone into another Great Depression rather than things getting better as they are now.

    And just has we had to make corrections for the top down approach of the 20's, we are once again having to make corrections for the top down approach.
    Why was there no attempt made to break up the TBTF institutions rather than allowing them to consolidate?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There has been no worse recession than the one the president inherited since the Great Depression. Bank losses in this recession were much worse than in '29 that precipitated the Great Depression. Without the stimulus efforts we would have gone into another Great Depression rather than things getting better as they are now.

    And just has we had to make corrections for the top down approach of the 20's, we are once again having to make corrections for the top down approach.
    We have been through that and your opinion noted. How did this recession hurt you and your family? You give Obama a pass for what you blamed Bush for which makes you a hypocrite. You want badly to believe what you are told but the reality makes you look like a fool. You don't seem to understand leadership qualities and responsibility. Obama has been in office four years and is a failure as the results show. Stop buying the rhetoric and get the actual results.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Without the stimulus efforts we would have gone into another Great Depression rather than things getting better as they are now.
    Do you have any evidence to support this theory?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "One simple fact Republicans understand, but many in the population do not, is that the first year of every presidential term starts with a previous administrationís budget approved by Congress. Republicans began their lying by counting 2009′s fiscal year budget as the Presidentís even though it began four months before he moved into the White House, and included spending increases of hundreds of billions of dollars in response to Bush-Republicansí economic and financial catastrophe. In the 2009 fiscal year budget, the last of George W. Bushís presidency, federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion, and the first budget attributable to President Obama (fiscal 2010), spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion. In fiscal 2013, the final budget of the Presidentís first term, spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), and extended out means that over the Presidentís first four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%. Obviously, there has been no huge increase in spending under President Obama, and yet Republicans claim he has been on a spending binge that is the sole cause of the nationís economic woes."

    Obama's Record Destroys the Republicans' Big Spending Democrat Propaganda
    This is so stupid. Bush's 2009 budget was then increased by Stimulus (you gonna lay that one on Bush ?), and by over $300B in TARP, left by Bush, not targeted to be spent, but still at Obama's discretion.

    It is what makes your post so unbelievably uninformed. It is also why you can possbly deal with the actual numbers when we take 2009 out of the equation.

    Obama is a frikkin disaster.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Why was there no attempt made to break up the TBTF institutions rather than allowing them to consolidate?
    There was an attempt. "51 Democrats, 5 Republicans and 1 independent opposed it."

    One of the leading voices of dissent was Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota. He warned that reversing Glass-Steagall and implementing the Republican-backed Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was a mistake whose repercussions would be felt in the future.

    “I think we will look back in 10 years’ time and say we should not have done this, but we did because we forgot the lessons of the past, and that that which is true in the 1930s is true in 2010,” Mr. Dorgan said 10 years ago. “We have now decided in the name of modernization to forget the lessons of the past, of safety and of soundness.”

    Mr. Dorgan still feels the same way. “I thought reversing Glass-Steagall would set us up for dramatic failure and that is exactly what has happened,” the senator told DealBook on Thursday. “To fuse together the investment banking function with the F.D.I.C. banking function has proven to be a profound mistake.”

    10 Years Later, Looking at Repeal of Glass-Steagall - NYTimes.com
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    What I want to know from the Obama drones in here, is that if the Bush budget was so bad in 2009, how come we haven't had one since? Where's the budget?
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    This is so stupid. Bush's 2009 budget was then increased by Stimulus (you gonna lay that one on Bush ?), and by over $300B in TARP, left by Bush, not targeted to be spent, but still at Obama's discretion.

    It is what makes your post so unbelievably uninformed. It is also why you can possbly deal with the actual numbers when we take 2009 out of the equation.

    Obama is a frikkin disaster.
    This has been posted many times and yet Catawba along with other leftwing zealots refuse to acknowledge reality. Bush submitted a 3.0 trillion dollar budget that the Congress refused to pass so they operated on continuing resolutions until Obama signed the budget in March 2009 after adding the stimulus to it, he then recyled the TARP repayment refusing to reduce the deficit with the repayment, bailed out GM/Chrysler with taxpayer money, and authorized the Afghanistan surge. Somehow that was all blamed on Bush and the Obamabots continue to spout the rhetoric and pass on the lie.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    ....Right, it's not McCain at all. He's just speaking for the other guys. Despite the fact that McCain can't stand the guy for going against the war and McCains beloved "surge" which he points out. Or the fact that Hagel backed Obama against him in his run for president. McCain certainly doesn't feel that way but suggests it's the others?? And you believe this??



    Which is exactly why I called McCain and the others, Identity Philosophers. The only value that matters to them is loyalty to the group. It's not that truth isn't a value. It's just one of many, and not the most important one. When it comes to truth or loyalty to the group, it's loyalty to the group that matters most. That means that the truth is always subjugated to the group's Identity and that identity is wrapped in their ideology. The ideology is always more important than the truth. ALWAYS!
    Is it possible Republicans dont want Hagel in there as a political reason? Hagel has shown he doesnt have the same ideas about foreign policy as most republicans, so when he supports a policy republcans dont like all you will hear is Hagel this and that. The optics will mean lots of pushback for no gain and someone that appears to be tremendously incompetent to boot. The surge was the worst mistake since Vietnam? Apparently not since it worked and casualties actually went down. Thats hyperbolic, attention grabbing drama queen nonsense there. Hagel deserves to get some political slings and arrows from an outrageous comment like that.

    The reast of your claptrap happens in both parties, party loyalty does tend to mean something in the pecking order and support you recieve from the party. Thats nothing new. Its also not limited to one side of the other.

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