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Pope resigns

Fog hit said:
Cynic? LOL. Pot... Meet the Archbishop of cynicism... The honorable Bonzai.

How ya doin?
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And you ? I tend to be of the same mind regarding the "Papacy". I think ant porn interests me more....................
 
Bonzai said:
Nietzsche thought that Christianity would have begun to die centuries ago if the Reformation hadn't resuscitated it...............
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He had a point.

Now the "reformed" are about as bad as the CC. The only caveat, is that the Reformed Ministers death does not cripple a nations news with church gossip.
 
Bonzai said:
And you ? I tend to be of the same mind regarding the "Papacy". I think ant porn interests me more....................
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Okay, I'm recovering from a heart cath.

Interest... Worm wrestling will do.

Heard from radio man, he says he joined the website, but he didn't mention his Avatar name.
 
Fog hit said:
He had a point.

Now the "reformed" are about as bad as the CC. The only caveat, is that the Reformed Ministers death does not cripple a nations news with church gossip.
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Here's a thought to chew on: Is the breakneck pace of change nowadays becoming too much for people to handle ?........
 
Bonzai said:
Here's a thought to chew on: Is the breakneck pace of change nowadays becoming too much for people to handle ?........
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Since I never know if you're being serious, I'll risk an answer of... a firm... maybe.
 
Bonzai said:
Nietzsche thought that Christianity would have begun to die centuries ago if the Reformation hadn't resuscitated it...............
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Censorship has been done by the Catholic Church, and I'm getting censored.
 
Fog hit said:
Since I never know if you're being serious, I'll risk an answer of... a firm... maybe.
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Lol.........I just notice there is an almost manic edge to some posters, like they have a bit part in "MegaAsteroid From Hell" or some such garbage movie on the SyFy channel...................
 
The big question which is hanging on the devout lips of every devout Catholic, is... "will the next Pope be more liberal, or be what has always been... Conservative".
What a stupid question.

Let me nip this mystery in the bud right now... He's gonna be... CONSERVATIVE!

You can forget about the Americanization of the Vatican.
 
Fog hit said:
Censorship has been done by the Catholic Church, and I'm getting censored.
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I'm a persona non grata, but I like wearing a badge..............lol................
 
Bonzai said:
Lol.........I just notice there is an almost manic edge to some posters, like they have a bit part in "MegaAsteroid From Hell" or some such garbage movie on the SyFy channel...................
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Yeah... and I thought we were crazy... Like Catholics. (gotta stay on topic).
 
Bonzai said:
I'm a persona non grata, but I like wearing a badge..............lol................
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I don't know Bonz... Looks like you have a lot of awards under your name.

Kinda like the stars they put on the Catholic kids forehead in Catholic School

:O
 
Fog hit said:
What you're alluding with sale indulgences... was called "absolution". Prepaid forgiveness of sins yet to be committed.
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Indulgences are likely the single most misunderstood thing about Catholicism (apart from the veneration of Mary). Indulgences do NOT forgive sin. They never have. From the Catholic encyclopedia:

It is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power. It is not the forgiveness of the guilt of sin; it supposes that the sin has already been forgiven. It is not an exemption from any law or duty, and much less from the obligation consequent on certain kinds of sin, e.g., restitution; on the contrary, it means a more complete payment of the debt which the sinner owes to God. It does not confer immunity from temptation or remove the possibility of subsequent lapses into sin. Least of all is an indulgence the purchase of a pardon which secures the buyer's salvation or releases the soul of another from Purgatory. The absurdity of such notions must be obvious to any one who forms a correct idea of what the Catholic Church really teaches on this subject.
 
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I've gotta go now my friend but let's keep each other informed about this new reformation.

;-)
 
ChuckBerry said:
Indulgences are likely the single most misunderstood thing about Catholicism (apart from the veneration of Mary). Indulgences do NOT forgive sin. They never have. From the Catholic encyclopedia:

It is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power. It is not the forgiveness of the guilt of sin; it supposes that the sin has already been forgiven. It is not an exemption from any law or duty, and much less from the obligation consequent on certain kinds of sin, e.g., restitution; on the contrary, it means a more complete payment of the debt which the sinner owes to God. It does not confer immunity from temptation or remove the possibility of subsequent lapses into sin. Least of all is an indulgence the purchase of a pardon which secures the buyer's salvation or releases the soul of another from Purgatory. The absurdity of such notions must be obvious to any one who forms a correct idea of what the Catholic Church really teaches on this subject.
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I should have said that it was a practice by the Catholic Church long ago, but not now.
But then the list of atrocities, done by the Catholic Church long ago, no longer happen... The list would be one long ass list though.
 
Fog hit said:
I don't know Bonz... Looks like you have a lot of awards under your name.

Kinda like the stars they put on the Catholic kids forehead in Catholic School

:O
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The first church I attended was Orthodox and then I was briefly a Congregationalist-------no things on the forehead..............Do they really do that ?.
 
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Bonzai said:
The first church I attended Orthodox and then I was briefly a Congregationalist-------no things on the forehead..............Do they really do that ?.
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They used to when I was a kid. There was a Catholic Church across the street from our public school. We were envious of the cool stars.

I was baptized Orthodox, when I was 8 years old.

After I lost my baptismal "I am a Greek Orthodox" on the breast of a Saigon prostitute ... Let just say I lost my organized religious affiliation... Period.
 
Remind me to tell you the story of my getting kicked out of a Catholic Church when a Priest found out that I was Greek Orthodox... That was a trip.

See ya soon Bonz.
 
Fog hit said:
I should have said that it was a practice by the Catholic Church long ago, but not now.
But then the list of atrocities, done by the Catholic Church long ago, no longer happen... The list would be one long ass list though.
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Indulgences were NEVER as you described them in the history of the Catholic church.
 
Fog hit said:
What you're alluding with sale indulgences... was called "absolution". Prepaid forgiveness of sins yet to be committed.
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And Martin Luther considered it non-scriptural and heretical.
 
Shadow Serious said:
And Martin Luther considered it non-scriptural and heretical.
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Oddly, the church decided hundreds of years earlier what was scriptural and nonheretical and what would be included and what would be excluded from the "Bible"....................
 
ChuckBerry said:
The current pope never had a "raping kids is okay" position. The incidents were terribly mishandled, no doubt, but the church and Ratzinger specifically never said that pedophilia was acceptable.
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I'm sure that all those who were abused find a lot of comfort in those words.
 
shrubnose said:
I'm sure that all those who were abused find a lot of comfort in those words.
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There's no verbiage that's going to satisfy those predisposed to hate the church. No amount of mea culpa, no dollar figure will be enough. Good thing that God is the one from whom forgiveness flows.
 
Shadow Serious said:
You got to be kidding me Martin Luther eventually broke away from the Catholic Church because it was adding things like the sale indulgences for sins and "holy" artifacts for people in purgatory. Martin Luther was more conservative than the Vatican.
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Except for his views on papal authority and the Eucharist. Other than those two apparently teeny tiny issues, he was a conservative.
 
celticwar17 said:
Then you don't know anything at all about Catholicism. A lot of Catholic beliefs follow the liberal agenda, not all of them obviously, but a lot of them.

It doesn't change the fact that Catholics vote liberal.
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Say what? Are you aware that many of the most prominent libertarians such as Lew Rockwell, Thomas Woods, Jeffrey Tucker, and Thomas DiLorenzo are all traditional Catholics?
 
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