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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And the Bible, like everything else, is a product of it's cultural time. It is no better than any other book, religion or social movement.
    Okay, but that's your opinion and nothing more. Obviously BILLIONS of people disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, but that's your opinion and nothing more. Obviously BILLIONS of people disagree with you.
    It doesn't matter what people believe, only the facts matter.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter what people believe, only the facts matter.
    Again, opinion and nothing more. Your opinions mean no more than anyone else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, opinion and nothing more. Your opinions mean no more than anyone else's.
    You seem to have a serious aversion to evidence and facts, don't you?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You seem to have a serious aversion to evidence and facts, don't you?
    Not at all. I just don't seem to think that you are a veritable library of facts. You have presented lots of opinions, not many facts.

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    Believing in God is faith. Proof is the only thing that absolutely positively destroys faith. I have faith, I don't even want proof.
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    You seem to have a serious aversion to evidence and facts, don't you?
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    Re: Pope resigns

    What is this here? Not sure if true or not.

    Pope Allegedly Sought Immunity For Abuse Crimes Just Before Resigning | Addicting Info

    Pope received news of his warrant of arrest before resignation - 1 Million Voices Against CBCP

    THE TRUTH: Pope received news of his warrant of arrest before resignation

    We knew something had to be up with the resignation of Pope Benedict. After all, Popes don’t just resign; in fact, this is the first time a Pope has resigned in 600 years. Therefore, the hoopla surrounding this is more than understandable. However, as per usual with the Catholic Church, there seems to be a catch, and, lo and behold, it likely surrounds the infamous abuse scandals that have plagued the church’s image for so long.

    It seems that with his resignation announced, the Pope, whose given name is Joseph Ratzinger, has a meeting with the Italian President, Giorgio Napolitano on February 23 to beg for immunity against prosecution for allegations of child sex crimes. Apparently, this hastily arranged meeting, and likely the resignation as well, are the result of a supposed note received by the Vatican from an undisclosed European government that stated that there are plans to issue a warrant for the Pope’s arrest. This letter was allegedly received on February 4, and Ratzinger resigned a week later. Now, there’s no way people can ignore how fishy this is. The first Pope to resign in 600 years does so after panicking about an impending arrest and in the midst of a hastily arranged meeting begging for protection from the Italian government? How they will keep people from connecting the two is beyond me. Chances are, the world will be popping popcorn and steadily watching.

    Well, for once, the guy might not get off easy. The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and state calls upon the Italian President to deny help to Ratzinger, and to “not collude in criminality. Let’s just hope that Napolitano does not cave. However, there may be another avenue to make sure the Pope is brought to justice if the Italian President does cave.

    It seems that in addition to these alleged attempts by this European government to prosecute, a New York based organization, The Centre for Constitutional Rights, has accused the Pope and his Cardinals of possible crimes against humanity for sheltering pedophile priests. The non-profit legal group has requested an ICC inquiry on behalf of the Survivor’s Network, citing the church’s “long-standing and pervasive system of sexual violence.”

    Apparently, the Vatican has no comment. Well, of course it doesn’t. It knows that Ratzinger and his henchmen are guilty, and now they are just scrambling to save face and save his keister from jail. Shame, since that is exactly where he belongs.

    The thing is, this institution knows no bounds when it comes to protecting their own, no matter how heinous the crimes. Anyone not living under a rock knows that the Pope and his cronies have abusing children for decades, and likely centuries. The thing is, they are just the biggest example of religion getting people passes. Shameful, but true. All those of us with a sense of justice and conscience can do is hope that one, if not both, of these attempts at legal action is successful.

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    l never liked this pope . john paul was more likable .
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    Hell will literally freeze over before the Pope is arrested.
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    Just found some more links. Not sure how much power The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State has, but they forced a pope to resign and have him asking for immunity. Seems like someone turned up the A/C in Hell eh mak2?

    itccs.org| The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State

    itccs.org | Pope Benedict to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23

    Letter to Italian President alleges Pope seeks 'legal immunity'

    In a statement to Reuters today, Vatican officials announced that Joseph Ratzinger will remain a permanent resident of Vatican City after his resignation. Doing so will offer him legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources said today

    "His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless".

    This startling admission of guilt by the church is also a direct obstruction of justice, and lends more weight to the charge by the ITCCS and others that the Vatican has arranged with the Italian government to shield Ratzinger from criminal prosecution, in violation of international laws ratified by Italy.


    **** just got real.

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