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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Where in the Bible is slavery condemned?
    I would think the commandment "do unto others" would cover that.

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    It's not religion that is "evil". It is the people who use religion to accomplish their less than scrupulous goals. This is kind of like what is happening a lot of Islamic communities in our modern times. We have intelligent educated imams and others who will use religion to brainwash and convince the less intelligent and/or educated people that they are righteous in what they are doing.

    Does anyone really think the true goal of those who kill or commit other atrocities in the name of religion is "spreading the word"? I think that is a bit naive . . . no offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It's not just what Christians have done, it's what they haven't done.

    Where were the Christians in Europe when 6 million Jews and millions of 'others' were being massacred?

    Do people go to hell for what they don't do?

    Any ideas?
    Here is one place the Christians went for the sake of those Jews and others. These are Americans,b ut they are in Luxembourg still.


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    And yes. My belief is all people deserve hell for what they have done, and for what they have failed to do. No amount of doing good can cover for the bad that is at my core. This is part of the reason why I am a Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    Here is one place the Christians went for the sake of those Jews and others. These are Americans,b ut they are in Luxembourg still.


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    And yes. My belief is all people deserve hell for what they have done, and for what they have failed to do. No amount of doing good can cover for the bad that is at my core. This is part of the reason why I am a Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Take the witch trials for example. Those men KNEW the people they were sentencing to death as being witches were not truly witches. Good Lord! These atrocities were committed over property rights and greed. Do a little more research into the REAL causes of things instead of just skimming the surface.
    I wouldn't go that far. Indeed, much of the time, you could see what rivalries, property disputes, political disputes, or social anxiety were propelling events forward. However, that does not negate the probability that in many or most of these cases, the reality of witchcraft existed. Views of the Church changed from the first many centuries to downplay the existence of witchcraft, to embracing it by the 14th and 15th centuries, and continually evolving its definition. From up on high to the lower rungs of the Church, for different circumstances it was possible for people to believe in witchcraft's existence in a given area. Now, in some cases it was more of the outsider priest that saw heresy and witchcraft in comparison with the local priest (sometimes the latter would get more anxious about the former because of it). Many episodes in Germany after the Protestantism took hold, clearly demonstrate the belief held by not only the victim (or their families), but also the court systems, was that witchcraft did in fact exist (in this one particular case I am thinking of, they just had to go through a more scientific process to prove it). Someone of a rival family, however often we are aware that they are trying to diminish our influence in this township, we do not eliminate the possibility that they will use (or have used) witchcraft against us. When someone has a personal grudge against me (and I against them), I could wonder if they may have made a pact with Satan and went to the Sabbat. This also does not begin to address folklore magic and witchcraft beliefs that were deeply ingrained in a culture.

    If you want a more contemporary example, see South Africa's witchcraft beliefs. Social, political, or property disputes certainly are what we see at the helm of each person's problem. However, in their world, it quite literally is a series of good magic, bad magic, and anti-magic practices.

    Once you discover that witchcraft did not actually exist, it is altogether too easy to then chalk it all up to the very observable social and political disputes that are influencing matters, when belief does actually matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Ain't that the truth.

    My point is that even though a lot of Christians opposed slavery, The Bible did not condemn it.
    But that's not how they saw it. If you were to take a number of teachings seriously, it would undermine the slavery institution. Furthermore, it would be useful to notice that there seems to be a distinction between indentured servitude and life-slavery (in addition to the treatment) in the Bible, which would be of consequence for societies with slaves versus slave societies.

    The Bible provides no great absolute comfort to the removal of slavery, but it does undermine it at the same time as support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    You should tell that to the majority of Catholics...who are liberal and have been historically liberal the past 50 years.
    You should also tell it to the majority of American Catholics who pretty much ignore anything that comes out of the Vatican.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Only those who practiced it.
    Nowhere in the Bible does it condemn slavery or slave owners, it tells us who you can own, how you can treat them and how you can trick a servant into being your slave forever. Nowhere does it say "don't own other people."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You should also tell it to the majority of American Catholics who pretty much ignore anything that comes out of the Vatican.
    I don't have much relation to the Catholics, anymore at least, so I don't think that would help much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nowhere in the Bible does it condemn slavery or slave owners, it tells us who you can own, how you can treat them and how you can trick a servant into being your slave forever. Nowhere does it say "don't own other people."
    And what happens to the slave owners in the bible?

    I'm not siding one way or another, but saying that the bible condones slavery is a stretch I can't let pass.
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