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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If today's out of touch, running out of time GOP does not change a lot and soon it will be reduced to a minor, regional, party in the not-distant future.

    Don't think so?

    Wait , do nothing, and see.

    Hmmmm....Let me guess, you (like most liberals) believe that in order to win elections that the GOP must become more like liberals. Well, the GOP did that for the past decade plus, how'd that work out?

    No, the GOP will be just fine, what they need to do is get back to basics, and STOP trying to get liberals to like them. They need to see that it is liberal sabotage that has brought them to this point.
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If today's out of touch, running out of time GOP does not change a lot and soon it will be reduced to a minor, regional, party in the not-distant future.

    Don't think so?

    Wait , do nothing, and see.
    Looking at the last twenty President's parties, I'm not so sure about that. The power seems to fluctuate between parties fairly regularly.


    William McKinley Republican 1897-1901
    Theodore Roosevelt Republican 1901-1909
    William Howard Taft Republican 1909-1913
    Woodrow Wilson Democratic 1913-1921
    Warren Gamaliel Harding Republican 1921-1923
    Calvin Coolidge Republican 1923-1929
    Herbert Clark Hoover Republican 1929-1933
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt Democratic 1933-1945
    Harry S. Truman Democratic 1945-1953
    Dwight David Eisenhower Republican 1953-1961
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy Democratic 1961-1963
    Lyndon Baines Johnson Democratic 1963-1969
    Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1969-1974
    Gerald Rudolph Ford Republican 1974-1977
    James Earl Carter, Jr. Democratic 1977-1981
    Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican 1981-1989
    George Herbert Walker Bush Republican 1989-1993
    William Jefferson Clinton Democratic 1993-2001
    George Walker Bush Republican 2001-2009
    Barack Obama Democratic 2009-

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Your grandstanding does not negate anything. All you have done is present the atheist point of view, and that has no meaning here.
    No more than Christian beliefs do. The only thing that matters is reality.

    People who believe in unicorns, their leader is retiring, a new leader is coming. The Society for people who believe in unicorns is one of the largest institutions in the world, and influences civilizations throughout the world.

    Do you see how utterly irrelevant your posts are to these basic facts?
    Yes, damn me for actually caring about whether or not unicorns actually exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No more than Christian beliefs do. The only thing that matters is reality.

    Yes, damn me for actually caring about whether or not unicorns actually exist.
    Hey look who's back. Have you found any arguments against the Quinque Viae yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Hey look who's back. Have you found any arguments against the Quinque Viae yet?
    Start a thread in an appropriate place and I'd be happy to shred them for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Start a thread in an appropriate place and I'd be happy to shred them for you.
    You post about God not existing in every thread, and you don't want to defend it when prompted?

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No more than Christian beliefs do. The only thing that matters is reality.
    You're right, the only thing that matters is reality. That reality is that it is an established theological, social, and political institution. Your opinion about the legitimacy of their belief in God is utterly irrelevant.



    Yes, damn me for actually caring about whether or not unicorns actually exist.
    If you want to put it that way, sure. I don't believe in 3/4's of what the Catholic institution believe in, and find most of it unconvincing. That is irrelevant. I grew up instead of acting like a child, or in our case, a really old toddler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No more than Christian beliefs do. The only thing that matters is reality.
    Could you list some specific reasons why the existence of a God is not reality? So far you seem to be saying you're right because you are. It would be helpful to know where you're coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're right, the only thing that matters is reality. That reality is that it is an established theological, social, and political institution. Your opinion about the legitimacy of their belief in God is utterly irrelevant.
    But it is not a FACTUAL institution. Santa Claus is an established social institution too, it just isn't real.

    If you want to put it that way, sure. I don't believe in 3/4's of what the Catholic institution believe in, and find most of it unconvincing. That is irrelevant. I grew up instead of acting like a child, or in our case, a really old toddler.
    I don't really care what the Catholics believe in or what the Jews believe in or what the Muslims believe in or what the Hindus believe in, I care about what is factually true in the real world. That's where these discussions ultimately fall apart because, at the end of the day, you're more concerned with feeling good than you are in being correct. I'm exactly the opposite.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Could you list some specific reasons why the existence of a God is not reality? So far you seem to be saying you're right because you are. It would be helpful to know where you're coming from.
    It is unsupported by the evidence, hence it ought not be believed, any more than unicorns and leprechauns and magical elves ought to be believed. No one should believe anything without having objective evidence that it's actually so.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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