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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
    Saying the guy that thinks those arguments are valid...
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Saying the guy that thinks those arguments are valid...
    I've offered arguments. All you've said is that they've been disproven, yet can point to nothing that shows that.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What is it?



    Which really suggests that there is no single understanding of God, pointing to the more rational possibility that it's just a bunch of people believing what they want to believe, not actually believing in a real thing.



    You'd have to actually demonstrate it. Believing in something for which there is no objective evidence is stupid, sorry.
    I'd suggest picking up James Turner's Without God, Without Creed. Now, yes, there is no single understanding of God, but they actually believe it is real. Dismissing that as false is simply silly. It is very much real for them, regardless of what you or I believe.

    Theists shouldn't have to bend to your demands for proof on a very subjective and personal thing at your every whim. I wouldn't ask you to test your non-belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I've offered arguments. All you've said is that they've been disproven, yet can point to nothing that shows that.
    You've offered claims and those claims have been soundly refuted many, many times over. All you're doing is throwing out a claim, you're doing nothing to demonstrate that these claims are remotely valid. I could take them all out in my sleep.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'd suggest picking up James Turner's Without God, Without Creed. Now, yes, there is no single understanding of God, but they actually believe it is real. Dismissing that as false is simply silly. It is very much real for them, regardless of what you or I believe.

    Theists shouldn't have to bend to your demands for proof on a very subjective and personal thing at your every whim. I wouldn't ask you to test your non-belief.
    It doesn't matter what they believe, it only matters if it's actually so. People can believe in unicorns, they can have faith that unicorns are real, they can be strongly comforted by their belief in unicorns, but if unicorns don't actually exist, then all the people who believe they do ARE WRONG!

    The same goes for God.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter what they believe, it only matters if it's actually so. People can believe in unicorns, they can have faith that unicorns are real, they can be strongly comforted by their belief in unicorns, but if unicorns don't actually exist, then all the people who believe they do ARE WRONG!

    The same goes for God.
    Your grandstanding does not negate anything. All you have done is present the atheist point of view, and that has no meaning here.

    So here's what you got.

    People who believe in unicorns, their leader is retiring, a new leader is coming. The Society for people who believe in unicorns is one of the largest institutions in the world, and influences civilizations throughout the world.

    Do you see how utterly irrelevant your posts are to these basic facts?
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You've offered claims and those claims have been soundly refuted many, many times over. All you're doing is throwing out a claim, you're doing nothing to demonstrate that these claims are remotely valid. I could take them all out in my sleep.
    You're still all talk, no substance.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter what they believe, it only matters if it's actually so. People can believe in unicorns, they can have faith that unicorns are real, they can be strongly comforted by their belief in unicorns, but if unicorns don't actually exist, then all the people who believe they do ARE WRONG!

    The same goes for God.
    There are no arguments to believe in unicorns. There are arguments to believe in God. Quit debating a straw man. It's one reason why atheists have a reputation of being aggressive and cocky.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post

    People who believe in unicorns, their leader is retiring, a new leader is coming. The Society for people who believe in unicorns is one of the largest institutions in the world, and influences civilizations throughout the world.
    Not to mention wealthiest, and it all comes from charity.
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    No, were you?

    You sound like one.
    How so?
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