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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    What questions have been answered, and how do they disprove all religions? At what question(s) does religion become pathetic?
    That's like asking at what point does believing in Santa Claus become pathetic and there probably isn't a single answer to that, but I think we all recognize that an adult who believes in Santa Claus has something wrong with them. People need to reach an age of reason, where they are prepared, intellectually and emotionally, to deal with the world on it's own terms and to be expected to be concerned with whether something is actually real instead of believing just what makes them emotionally feel good. It is an important part of the maturation process that childish things be left behind.

    There is no evidence for God. There is no more evidence for God than there is for Santa Claus or unicorns or leprechauns. However, where we'd consider anyone who believed in the latter three to be off their rocker, society gives special consideration to the first because it's a security blanket for adults. It just shouldn't be, it stops people from truly being mature and rational. It's a crutch for people who are too pathetic to just deal with reality.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Wow, you just look for the worst arguments of your opponents and ignore their best ones. That's no way proceed intellectually.
    You mean you have *ANY* good arguments? What are they and where have you been keeping them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Another good reason not to belong to the Catholic Church.

    The church's attempt to control women's bodies has been overruled by the Supreme Court in the USA.




    "Judge not, lest ye also be judged."
    The Supreme Court does not trump morality. Also, how funny that you take that quote out of context. Remember what he said to the woman after, "sin no more".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You mean you have *ANY* good arguments? What are they and where have you been keeping them?
    Quinque Viae, you know, those arguments you won't deal with at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Quinque Viae, you know, those arguments you won't deal with at all.
    Why do you think that they haven't all been dealt with and completely discredited?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why do you think that they haven't all been dealt with and completely discredited?
    Because you can't find any source that thoroughly understands the arguments and knocks them down.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's like asking at what point does believing in Santa Claus become pathetic and there probably isn't a single answer to that, but I think we all recognize that an adult who believes in Santa Claus has something wrong with them. People need to reach an age of reason, where they are prepared, intellectually and emotionally, to deal with the world on it's own terms and to be expected to be concerned with whether something is actually real instead of believing just what makes them emotionally feel good. It is an important part of the maturation process that childish things be left behind.

    There is no evidence for God. There is no more evidence for God than there is for Santa Claus or unicorns or leprechauns. However, where we'd consider anyone who believed in the latter three to be off their rocker, society gives special consideration to the first because it's a security blanket for adults. It just shouldn't be, it stops people from truly being mature and rational. It's a crutch for people who are too pathetic to just deal with reality.
    Cephus, there exists a rational basis for believing in God. The problem is that once it opened God up to human understanding, one's claims for understanding of God could come into conflict with another man's, opening up the possibility of no faith. It's as simple as that.

    Now, instead of running around saying that theism is stupid, you should probably focus on the topic itself. When atheism is brought up elsewhere, I don't presume to call non-belief stupid. I take it seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Because you can't find any source that thoroughly understands the arguments and knocks them down.
    I can't? Or you simply refuse to acknowledge that they've been wholly discredited?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Cephus, there exists a rational basis for believing in God.
    What is it?

    The problem is that once it opened God up to human understanding, one's claims for understanding of God could come into conflict with another man's, opening up the possibility of no faith. It's as simple as that.
    Which really suggests that there is no single understanding of God, pointing to the more rational possibility that it's just a bunch of people believing what they want to believe, not actually believing in a real thing.

    Now, instead of running around saying that theism is stupid, you should probably focus on the topic itself. When atheism is brought up elsewhere, I don't presume to call non-belief stupid. I take it seriously.
    You'd have to actually demonstrate it. Believing in something for which there is no objective evidence is stupid, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I can't? Or you simply refuse to acknowledge that they've been wholly discredited?
    The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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