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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There's a rational acceptance for religion, and has been for centuries. It is just that we have reached the point where it can be comfortable for someone to reject its reality.
    No, there is no rationality in religion, it's just that we've lived for a long time without the tools to make religious acceptance unnecessary. Today, we've answered many of the questions that religion has feigned an answer for over the centuries, there's no more reason to cling to absurd beliefs because it's more comfortable than admitting that we just have no clue what the actual answers are. It's sad that you have a problem with society coming to a point where rejecting ridiculous beliefs openly becomes safe and socially acceptable. Want to go back to burning heretics?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya RM does ya gots a link on this? I never heard this about the Borgias and the Jewish blood. As a matter of fact I know several Borgias that live around here in Illinois. Course moreso around Chicago.

    This is definitely affecting the Chicago Catholics. They were kind stunned by the news.
    I read it a long time ago, like, 4 or 5 years ago. It explained there how his mother was jewish and came from some jewish family in Spain I think... they were rich traders and money lenders. Which was kind of wierd because not long after that, the show, the Borgias, was announced.

    I have to remember the name of the mother because Borgia is not the real name of the Borgias. They were LLanchol or something like that... and on the matrilinial side it is also something else before marriage.

    If I ever come across the information again, I'll share it with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I read it a long time ago, like, 4 or 5 years ago. It explained there how his mother was jewish and came from some jewish family in Spain I think... they were rich traders and money lenders. Which was kind of wierd because not long after that, the show, the Borgias, was announced.

    I have to remember the name of the mother because Borgia is not the real name of the Borgias. They were LLanchol or something like that... and on the matrilinial side it is also something else before marriage.

    If I ever come across the information again, I'll share it with you.
    Thanks RM.....I will try and look some of this up. As I also know some that are Sicilian. Let me know if ya come across her maiden name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    You got to be kidding me Martin Luther eventually broke away from the Catholic Church because it was adding things like the sale indulgences for sins and "holy" artifacts for people in purgatory. Martin Luther was more conservative than the Vatican.
    The catholic church had been doing that for centuries prior to Martin luthers birth. In essence, it WAS Catholicism. It's mentioned even in the cantebury tails, and chaucer wrote that over a century before Luther was even born. Luther wanted to CHNGE the church to better suit his ideals, but the church refused to change. If they HAD changed, he never would have hammered his list of grievances to those doors. It was a reluctance to any change that gave birth to a new denomination of Christianity. Further, if you know anything about Lutheranism, you'll know that THEY abandoned all the dogma, the pomp, and focuse more closely on Jesus words, rather than rigid tradition.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, there is no rationality in religion, it's just that we've lived for a long time without the tools to make religious acceptance unnecessary. Today, we've answered many of the questions that religion has feigned an answer for over the centuries, there's no more reason to cling to absurd beliefs because it's more comfortable than admitting that we just have no clue what the actual answers are. It's sad that you have a problem with society coming to a point where rejecting ridiculous beliefs openly becomes safe and socially acceptable. Want to go back to burning heretics?
    Self defeating statement?

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Pope Benedict to resign at the end of the month, Vatican says - CNN.com

    ADDED: Health reasons are being cited in early reports.
    If the reasons he stated are all that's behind this step, I have to say that's a very honorable decision! It takes integrity to admit you're no longer suited for an important office and resign voluntarily.

    And maybe, Benedict XVI will now enter history books as a revolutionary reformer, because after his precedent, it will be easier for future Popes to ignore tradition and resign, when they feel they're no longer up to the task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Self defeating statement?
    I said we've answered many of the questions, I didn't say we've answered all of them. Just because we don't know doesn't give a theist license to just make crap up because it makes them feel better. That's pathetic.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Say what? Are you aware that many of the most prominent libertarians such as Lew Rockwell, Thomas Woods, Jeffrey Tucker, and Thomas DiLorenzo are all traditional Catholics?
    I am sure there are... You run into problems generalizing obviously, but the majority of Catholics now and in the past vote Democrat and have liberal views. Our Vice President is Catholic! John F. Kennedy was Catholic (the only catholic president).

    I am really surprised in how people don't know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I said we've answered many of the questions, I didn't say we've answered all of them. Just because we don't know doesn't give a theist license to just make crap up because it makes them feel better. That's pathetic.
    "Today, we've answered many of the questions that religion has feigned an answer for over the centuries" (Enough questions have been answered)

    "there's no more reason to cling to absurd beliefs because it's more comfortable than admitting that we just have no clue what the actual answers are" (We actually don't have the answers to those questions)

    Thats how I interpreted it.

    What questions have been answered, and how do they disprove all religions? At what question(s) does religion become pathetic?

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    Re: Pope resigns

    [QUOTE=phattonez;1061455750. The disintegration of society starts with the attack on the traditional family and monogamous relationships.[/QUOTE]




    I thought that it started a long time ago when the Catholic Church started burning people at the stake for no good reason.

    Would you support bringing that practice back?

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