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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    I'm sure some were...........
    Greeks and Romans mostly, but nice try. St. Paul is known for preaching to the Gentiles. St. Thomas is known for preaching to Indians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Right. But who tries to "convert" from their race ?...............That's heavy duty weirdness, like wiggerism...........................
    What does this mean? These people converted before the definitive split from Judaism had occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Greeks and Romans mostly, but nice try. St. Paul is known for preaching to the Gentiles. St. Thomas is known for preaching to Indians.
    Right. And what kind of people abandon their own people's beliefs for that of another ?........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Indulgences were NEVER as you described them in the history of the Catholic church.
    Sorry to pop your bubble, but it happened. Try reading a history book, instead of replying on what your priest tells you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Right. And what kind of people abandon their own people's beliefs for that of another ?........................
    Those who converted to the truth of Jesus Christ. And apparently it was pretty attractive since nearly all of Europe was eventually converted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Those who converted to the truth of Jesus Christ. And apparently it was pretty attractive since nearly all of Europe was eventually converted.
    Ok. So you admit they were basically "racetraitors", but that doesn't matter to you because their new "leader" was the embodiment of truth----------------Do you know how hallucinogenic that appears ?...................

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    There's no verbiage that's going to satisfy those predisposed to hate the church. No amount of mea culpa, no dollar figure will be enough. Good thing that God is the one from whom forgiveness flows.
    I have interacted with Shrub (on Politico) for a very long time, and while we disagree on too many things to count, I am pretty sure he is not "predisposed to hate" anyone.

    I am an atheist, but I had been a Catholic during my formative years. I still have great respect for the institution, and outright admiration for some of its luminaries. I have a photo of John Paul II over my desk - and not just for the "shouvinistic", Polish reasons.

    But we (Catholics and ex-Catholics) have to make an effort to understand the critics (and to ignore the shrillness).

    Yes, the Church is nothing close to the venomous caricature some people are so eager to draw. But it is still a human organization.

    I know, this topic is about as uncomfortable as it gets, for everyone - but:

    Are most Catholic societies socially conservative, prone to pressure "sexual deviants" to hide themsleves? Yes, they are. The intellectual greenhouses like Krakow or Barcelona are not "typical", statistically speaking.

    Does it mean that not just homosexuals, but all kinds of "deviants" - both morally sound and predatory - would be more likely to join the ranks of the officially celibate priesthood? Yes, it does.

    Did the Church make every reasonable effort to protect the most innocent of the flock? No, it did not.

    It does not invalidate, by any means, what St.Thomas Aquinas had to say, or what St. Francis of Assisi had to show. It really has very little to do with the intellectual body of Catholicism.

    But it does pose some serious questions about the Institution that cannot be just shrugged off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Oddly, the church decided hundreds of years earlier what was scriptural and nonheretical and what would be included and what would be excluded from the "Bible"....................
    And the Catholic church decided to interpret those books in their own way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    And the Catholic church decided to interpret those books in their own way.
    Correct. But if you've read the Bible, you're "hearing" alot about "love", but what you're seeing is pure, unadulaterated hatred.....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Except for his views on papal authority and the Eucharist. Other than those two apparently teeny tiny issues, he was a conservative.
    The Vatican did stray too far from what Luther interpreted from scripture and they basically declared war on Luther. And with the interpretation of the Eucharist was slightly different about the same difference as a Big Endian and a Little Endian that Johnathan Swift wrote about in Gulliver's Travels which was the parodying of the interpretation of the Eucharist between the Church of England and The Catholic Church.
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