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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The Jews persecuted the early Christian Church. Why are you surprised by a backlash?
    I am surprised because they opted to adopt the values, no one was forcing them to. They sort of identified with people they WEREN'T, that is Jews who split off from Judaism...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I am surprised because they opted to adopt the values, no one was forcing them to. They sort of identified with people they WEREN'T, that is Jews who split off from Judaism...................
    And the people that Paul converted? Those were not Jews.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Did the Pope resign?

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's the difference. You will never be bothered for attending Mass. In fact exactly the opposite, you will be welcomed. Just don't dare try to receive that which you don't believe to be the actual Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ if you don't believe it to be so.
    I attended one of her family's Baptist Christmas services. Time came to pass bread and grape juice (lol) around, I didn't participate. They believe that the bread and grape juice is transformed into the body and blood of Christ upon ingestion. You know that Catholics believe that this occurs with the priests admonition to God to transform it.

    Since my beliefs about the Eucharist are very specific, I did not feel comfortable participating, since from my perspective, the bread and grape juice could not have really been transformed, and it would be disrespectful to participate in their ceremony without a true belief in what would occur as a result.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not nearly enough.
    As you claim.

    Church doctrine prohibits married couples from using condoms. How much more monogamous do you expect people to be?
    There wouldn't be much of an AIDS epidemic in Africa if monogamy were universal now would there?

    Which no one is attacking. Except for the whole "a man is king in his castle" part, where a woman has to be subservient to her husband and is essentially a second class citizen. That part we're attacking like crazy.
    Funny how enemies of the Church always leave out the second part, you know, husbands love your wives.

    But my desire to have whatever sex I want with whomever I want for whatever reasons I want has nothing to do with your choice to do the same, or not, as you desire. My life has no effect whatsoever on your family or relationships.

    And what would such an attack even look like? No one is trying to make it harder for monogamous, heterosexual couples to marry and have children. I think you are confusing attacks for not getting preferential treatment.
    The dependency of the family for the father and cohesion has been obliterated with indiscriminate welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And the people that Paul converted? Those were not Jews.
    I'm sure some were...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I attended one of her family's Baptist Christmas services. Time came to pass bread and grape juice (lol) around, I didn't participate. They believe that the bread and grape juice is transformed into the body and blood of Christ upon ingestion. You know that Catholics believe that this occurs with the priests admonition to God to transform it.

    Since my beliefs about the Eucharist are very specific, I did not feel comfortable participating, since from my perspective, the bread and grape juice could not have really been transformed, and it would be disrespectful to participate in their ceremony without a true belief in what would occur as a result.
    That and their bread and grape juice are invalid matter, by an unordained minister, with no intent to consecrate, and not using the words of consecration. Of all 4 requirements, they fulfill none. Yes, it is absolutely disallowed for Catholics to receive the eucharist from churches not in communion with Rome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And the people that Paul converted? Those were not Jews.
    Right. But who tries to "convert" from their race ?...............That's heavy duty weirdness, like wiggerism...........................

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Did the Pope resign?
    No, he abdicated.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Fog hit View Post
    I should have said that it was a practice by the Catholic Church long ago, but not now.
    But then the list of atrocities, done by the Catholic Church long ago, no longer happen... The list would be one long ass list though.


    The terrible things that the church did in the past can't be wiped out by saying, "that was long ago, we don't do that now".

    What was done can't be undone.

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