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    Re: Pope resigns

    Hope his health improves. Since the new selection process takes some time, will there be an interm Pope or will they rush the selection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am not Catholic so I am not really sure exactly what this means to the Church, but I would bet it is because of Alzheimers or some other organic brain disease, that he is afraid he will make bad decisions or something that his staff could not control.
    That was my first presumption but I've also been seeing reports of relatively sudden physical problems; needing a cane all of a sudden, a drastic loss of energy noticed, advised not to travel.

    I have a couple of questions? Does he continue to live at the Vatican or does he go back to Germany after all these years? I would imagine even when he resigns and a new Pope is picked, if he stays at the Vatican, people will still think of him as the real guy in charge.

    Secondly, anybody hear the buzz about the Ghanian Cardinal who apparently is the conventional wisdom's lead guy to replace him? A black Pope? I wonder what impact that would make on the church outside of the Third World? I wouldn't want to assume people are racist and believe the best but I was once a member of a so called protestant church where an odd dynamic occurred. The church began doing significant outreach into the black community. Over time many blacks joined the church. Some rose in church leadership serving in key roles as Assistant Pastors, Music Minister and Private School Principal. The odd part was it seemed over time the more blacks joined and took their places in various roles, the more whites left the church and didn't join in the same numbers. Today the church is about 80% black however with the same white Lead Pastor who saw the "white flight" from his church. Its thriving today but struggles financially as the newer members generally don't have the same levels of financial resources to contribute although membership numbers are the same. Again, I know race relations is a sensitive subject that a lot of people like to avoid and/or act like it is a non-issue and are quick to accuse anybody who thinks it is of "using the race card" but I honestly do wonder what a black Pope could mean to the Catholic Church already struggling to maintain relevance in Europe and North America. I also wonder how it would affect the Church in the Third World and more particularly its possible affect on the so-called Protestant Church. Anyhoo, just thinking out loud on IF the African Cardinal even gets the job.

    John Paul II created him Cardinal-Priest of S. Liborio in his last consistory of 21 October 2003. Turkson is the first Ghanaian cardinal, and was one of the cardinal electors who participated in the 2005 papal conclave, which selected Pope Benedict XVI. He was described as "one of Africa's most energetic church leaders" by a UK Catholic magazine.[3]

    Immediately following the announcement of the impending resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, at least two bookmakers, Paddy Power and Ladbrokes, made Turkson the favourite to be appointed as the new pope. [4]


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    Cardinal Turkson has said that "if God would wish to see a black man also as pope, thanks be to God".[13] The Catholic Church chronicler Rocco Palmo called Turkson the lone Scripture scholar in the Pope's "Senate" and believes that his status as a potential "papabile" has been elevated due to his appointment as spokesman for Second Synod for Africa in 2009.[14]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    That was my first presumption but I've also been seeing reports of relatively sudden physical problems; needing a cane, a drastic loss of energy noticed, advised not to travel.

    I have a couple of questions? Does he continue to live at the Vatican or does he go back to Germany after all these years? I would imagine even when he resigns and a new Pope is picked, if he stays at the Vatican, people will still think of him as the real guy in charge.

    Secondly, anybody here the buzz about the Nigerian Cardinal who apparently is the conventional wisdom's lead guy to replace him? A black Pope? I wonder what impact that would make on the church outside of the Third World? I wouldn't want to assume people are racist and believe the best but I was one a member of a so called protestant church where a odd dynamic occurred. The church began doing significant outreach into the black community. Over time many blacks joined the church. Some rose in church leadership serving in key roles as Assistant Pastors, Music Minister and Private School Principal. The odd part was it seemed over time the more blacks joined and took their places in various roles, the more whites left the church and didn't join in the same numbers. Today the church is about 80% black however with the same white Lead Pastor who saw the "white flight" from his church. Its thriving today but struggles financially as the newer members generally don't have the same levels of financial resources to contribute although membership numbers are the same. Again, I know race relations is a sensitive subject that a lot of people like to avoid and/or act like it is a non-issue and are quick to accuse anybody who thinks it is of "using the race card" but I honestly do wonder what a black Pope could mean to the Catholic Church already struggling to maintain relevance in Europe and North America. I also wonder how it would affect the Church in the Third World and more particularly its possible affect on the so-called Protestant Church. Anyhoo, just thinking out loud on IF the African Cardinal even gets the job.
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    Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I wouldn't have a problem with a black Pope. The Church's longstanding presence in non-Anglo-Saxon areas would eventually lead to more and more minority clergy at various levels.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I have a couple of questions? Does he continue to live at the Vatican or does he go back to Germany after all these years? I would imagine even when he resigns and a new Pope is picked, if he stays at the Vatican, people will still think of him as the real guy in charge.
    It's my understanding that the current Pope will most likely remain at the Vatican, however, he will not be consulted (nor will he speak about) any decisions or actions involving the church. I would imagine that outside talking about his health we may never again hear from him in public circles once the new Pope is elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's my understanding that the current Pope will most likely remain at the Vatican, however, he will not be consulted (nor will he speak about) any decisions or actions involving the church. I would imagine that outside talking about his health we may never again hear from him in public circles once the new Pope is elected.
    Does he get demoted back to Cardinal or is he just John?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Does he get demoted back to Cardinal or is he just John?
    That I don't know, but I do think he will be absent of any decisions or actions involving the church again so I don't know if there is such thing as a "retired" cardinal rank or how that works.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    In the 1100s a great Prophet by the name of St. Malachy predicted with amazing accuracy, every pope that ever existed. Up until this last one. He predicted that Pope Peter The Roman, would be the last pope. The Saint's prophecies is held in high regard within the hierarchy of the Church, and it's interesting to see the black pope Cardinal Peter Turkson as the favorite to replace Benedict. Will he choose the name Peter the Roman or something similar?

    Kind of freaky if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Many American Catholics will demand Ronald Reagan be made Pope. They will insist the fact that he is dead and wasn't a Catholic shouldn't be a reason to deny the world his greatness.
    Why would they do that? Most Catholics are liberal. A even greater majority of them would be liberal if not for the abortion issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That I don't know, but I do think he will be absent of any decisions or actions involving the church again so I don't know if there is such thing as a "retired" cardinal rank or how that works.
    Most retired clergy retain the rank they had, and can be called upon to "fill-in" when necessary. My assumption is that he would return to being a Cardinal, but retired, and no longer involved in any real day-to-day proceedings.

    Did see that there is no such thing as an interim Pope, so it should stay vacant until filled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Why would they do that? Most Catholics are liberal. A even greater majority of them would be liberal if not for the abortion issue.
    Don't know how you can see it that way. Most liberals are for birth control and the Roman Catholic Church is against that.

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