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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What? :/ Pretty sure they all existed in one form or another before the cc. Greeks had academies, hospitals and the Romans had homes for the poor long before the christians showed up. What 'great' works of charity are you talking about? It's not like the catholic church invented charity either. For most of recorded history, they've actually walked hand in hand with the ruling elite to rob the poor of monies and land while also telling them that if they pray hard enough - things will get better.
    Now you're unnecessarily minimizing the intellectual impact of the Church. It has certainly dramatically influenced the university institution and many disciplines, including history.
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    Ever read the prophecy of St. Malachi? He gave a short list, in Latin, of every Pope to ascend to the Papacy, beginning with Celestine II, in 1143. He described the present Pope as an Olivetian, which he is. The next Pope he describes as Peter the Roman, who would betray the Catholic Church, and join with the Antichrist. Benedict has just stepped down, and the next Pope will take office sometime in March.

    If the next Pope is named Peter, then get ready for a wild ride....... Maybe, or maybe St. Malachi's prediction is a bunch of hogwash. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    See, I used some hyperbole to make it at least a little bit funny, because in reality, the systematic rape of children is really tragic. But since you want to defend Pope Palpatine, let's get into it.

    What he did was choose to protect his priests over the children they were raping. His edict back in the 70's (while he was still a cardinal, but was specifically in charge of this sort of thing, appointed by papal authority) excommunicated any victim who spoke out and revealed rape by a priest. Got that? Anyone who tells that a priest raped them goes to hell. I would have to assume that cardinals actually believe in the supernatural tenets of their church. Ratzinger made the decision to send rape victims to hell rather than hold rapist priests accountable.

    Yeah, he didn't say the exact phrase "raping little kids is totally okay", but no one would. He's corrupt, not stupid. And if you actually think that the bar to determine someone's intentions and opinions comes only from explicit endorsement, I urge you to read any thread on this very forum including the phrase "I'm not racist, but..."
    I admitted that the incidents were terribly mishandled. I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    All the Church needs to do is speak the truth in love.
    Actions speak louder than words. And the church has made it's actions quite clear. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Now you're unnecessarily minimizing the intellectual impact of the Church. It has certainly dramatically influenced the university institution and many disciplines, including history.
    Sure, they just didn't 'give us' universities or hospitals. To claim they did is to "minimize" the role of 3 civilizations and multiple religions which existed in the area long before the christians came around to plagiarizing. I'm still wondering what the 'great works of charity' are. So I won't even comment on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And I can say that since most people believe in a deity, this is because atheism is "frickin stupid."

    Still sounds silly, doesn't it?
    Argumentum ad populum. Doesn't matter what most people believe, only what's actually so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I admitted that the incidents were terribly mishandled. I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
    I'm arguing because you're using a weak, euphemistic phrase like "mishandle", as opposed to the reality of "knowingly protecting men who rape children". I'm arguing because you're diminishing the severity of what happened. This was not an "oops", this was serious evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Argumentum ad populum. Doesn't matter what most people believe, only what's actually so.
    You said religion in general and Catholicism in particular are "frickin stupid" and the results are demonstrated from a chunk of the younger population not subscribing to the faith.

    I was using a fallacy to explain why you were being careless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Now you're unnecessarily minimizing the intellectual impact of the Church. It has certainly dramatically influenced the university institution and many disciplines, including history.
    And you're unnecessarily inflating the impact of the Church. The things you mentioned would have existed had the RCC never existed, and things like the Inquisition never would have.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You said religion in general and Catholicism in particular are "frickin stupid" and the results are demonstrated from a chunk of the younger population not subscribing to the faith.

    I was using a fallacy to explain why you were being careless.
    I never said that the results were demonstrated by young people rejecting religion, they were two separate facts. There just isn't any rational reason to think that religion is factually true these days, that's why more and more people are rejecting it.
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