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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Where the faith is steeped in tradition, it grows tremendously. Where it has been abandoned, a crisis has ensued.
    Precisely. Humans need reference points other than themselves. This seeming freedom apart from God will bear foul fruits in the years to come.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Beatification (no "u") is a designation for someone who the church believes has acheived heaven and can intercede with God on behalf of living people. It is an interim step on the path to sainthood.

    Beatification changes nothing about a person.
    No, only their personal history, which must be altered in order to appear more saintly.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    the pope's whistleblowing butler exposed the corruption of cardinal tarcisio bertone
    bertone appears to have been making the papal decisions while the pope was performing the figurehead functions
    papal contracts were padded
    the vatican banker, selected in 2009 to clean up the banks operations after decades of allegations of money-laundering and infiltration by the mafia and italian freemasons was fired the day after the butler was arrested
    the pope's right-hand-man was more interested in silencing the leaks than addressing the corruption
    the convicted butler, who admitted his guilt but explained that his intent was to expose the corruption of which the pope was unaware, was personally visited by the pope prior to Christmas, when his sentence was commuted
    declining health - possibly parkinsons disease - likely played a large role in the resignation decision. but i believe the bigger motivation was to find an unobvious way to rid the vatican leadership of the likes of bertone - a crony of the disgraced berlusconi
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The current pope never had a "raping kids is okay" position. The incidents were terribly mishandled, no doubt, but the church and Ratzinger specifically never said that pedophilia was acceptable.
    See, I used some hyperbole to make it at least a little bit funny, because in reality, the systematic rape of children is really tragic. But since you want to defend Pope Palpatine, let's get into it.

    What he did was choose to protect his priests over the children they were raping. His edict back in the 70's (while he was still a cardinal, but was specifically in charge of this sort of thing, appointed by papal authority) excommunicated any victim who spoke out and revealed rape by a priest. Got that? Anyone who tells that a priest raped them goes to hell. I would have to assume that cardinals actually believe in the supernatural tenets of their church. Ratzinger made the decision to send rape victims to hell rather than hold rapist priests accountable.

    Yeah, he didn't say the exact phrase "raping little kids is totally okay", but no one would. He's corrupt, not stupid. And if you actually think that the bar to determine someone's intentions and opinions comes only from explicit endorsement, I urge you to read any thread on this very forum including the phrase "I'm not racist, but..."
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Precisely. Humans need reference points other than themselves. This seeming freedom apart from God will bear foul fruits in the years to come.


    Yeah, people will start getting weird ideas like the earth revolves around the sun.

    We can't have that, eh?

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No, only their personal history, which must be altered in order to appear more saintly.
    To quote phatonez about others quotes you have made in this thread, what does that even mean?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Yeah, people will start getting weird ideas like the earth revolves around the sun.

    We can't have that, eh?


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    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yes, that awful organization that gave us the university system, hospitals, and tremendous works of charity. This world would be so much better without those things.
    What? :/ Pretty sure they all existed in one form or another before the cc. Greeks had academies, hospitals and the Romans had homes for the poor long before the christians showed up. What 'great' works of charity are you talking about? It's not like the catholic church invented charity either. For most of recorded history, they've actually walked hand in hand with the ruling elite to rob the poor of monies and land while also telling them that if they pray hard enough - things will get better.
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Check out Habemus Papam (We Have A Pope), a delightful movie that sets up just this situation.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    You think somebody had some dirty pics of him with an alter boy? You never know these days.

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