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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Read the book of Mathew. There are numerous verses I might quote, but really, it must be taken into account in it's entirety. One quote, though...

    "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” Matthew 16:18

    Out of context...like I said, you gotta take the entire thing, not little pieces....but the point is, Jesus thought of "his church" as being his people, followers...not a building, and CERTAINLY not a set of traditions. Only the belief, the faith, mattered. Again, the antithesis of Catholicism.
    What Church can better claim to be following the lead of Peter than the Catholic Church who can actually trace her line of succession to Peter?

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The message has been lost, and it has been lost for QUITE some time now. Lost to dogma.
    According to your interpretation.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I refuse to call any man Dominus
    Either you don't know the source of the phrase (translated means "the Lord is with you") which is a common phrase during the Mass or you're making some statement about Jesus. I can't tell which.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    My thoughts exactly. The investigative documentary recently released, Mea Maximus Culpa, has exposed that the pedophilia scandal cover-up leads right to his doorstep and pretty much stops there.

    I wonder if this has anything to do with it.
    I'm sad to admit that I think the same thing. Benedict has become something of a posterboy for the pedophile priest scandals of the 70's and 80's, and having a pope who is untainted by that legacy would be a good thing for the church.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I'm sad to admit that I think the same thing. Benedict has become something of a posterboy for the pedophile priest scandals of the 70's and 80's, and having a pope who is untainted by that legacy would be a good thing for the church.
    Even if that's the idea, I doubt this is what he is resigning over.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The "point" and/or "meaning" of religious garb is not readily apparent to me.............................

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Hopefully the next pope will have a less "raping kids is okay" position with regard to his priests.
    The current pope never had a "raping kids is okay" position. The incidents were terribly mishandled, no doubt, but the church and Ratzinger specifically never said that pedophilia was acceptable.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Bring on the last Pope. I guess, according to prophesy, the next Pope will be the last.
    That would be nice, since all of this absurd end-of-the-world nonsense is bunk, let's just bring on the last one and get rid of that absurd monstrosity that is the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I'm pretty sure this Pope resigned because his views were turning off not only potentially new followers but current ones. His comments on the child abuse scandal in particular were quite disgusting. Given that he is the first Pope to resign in 600 years, I doubt this is about health. Catholicism is very big on taking your duties to your grave.

    Kind of interesting that someone can resign from their superhuman role as God's representative on earth. So much for the Divine Right of Kings.

    I hope the next Pope is more progressive, or at least capable of smiling once in a while.
    The funny thing is, this announcement comes on the same weekend that the Catholic Church is trying to figure out why it doesn't appeal to young people anymore. However, instead of admitting that it's their ridiculous beliefs that turn rational people off, they think that if they pretty it up and add rock music, young people will come in droves. Maybe Benedict has decided he doesn't want to go down with a sinking ship.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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