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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The Church has tried being liberal in its Mass for the past 50 years. The result? A huge crisis. Btw, Evangelicals started in the 1800s with the Methodists. And how have the Anglicans been doing with their liberal push? Most are becoming Catholic.



    You mean when the Church built the hospitals and the universities in the Middle Ages? That "evil" Church?



    Where the faith is steeped in tradition, it grows tremendously. Where it has been abandoned, a crisis has ensued.
    Well, the Church has been remarkable about picking which parts of the modern world and understanding it is willing to embrace, in addition to its strategy of spreading the faith. They can be quite realpolitik when they need to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The Church has tried being liberal in its Mass for the past 50 years. The result? A huge crisis. Btw, Evangelicals started in the 1800s with the Methodists. And how have the Anglicans been doing with their liberal push? Most are becoming Catholic.



    You mean when the Church built the hospitals and the universities in the Middle Ages? That "evil" Church?



    Where the faith is steeped in tradition, it grows tremendously. Where it has been abandoned, a crisis has ensued.
    Only if by crisis, you mean, renaisance, then, sure. The numbers tell all.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    All the Church needs to do is speak the truth in love.
    Truth is nothing more than a phrase that the majority believes.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The truth is not popular with the children of the world.
    That's okay. Jesus said to suffer unto Him the little children.

    The ugliness of this thread is fairly predictable, but I would encourage you to resist temptation here. The gambit always is to put people of faith on the defensive.

    I keep thinking as I read along in this thread how Jesus responded at His trial: "You say that I am."

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    Re: Pope resigns

    He must've gotten tired of trying to figure out this newfangled technology.

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    Re: Pope resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Only if by crisis, you mean, renaisance, then, sure. The numbers tell all.
    What renaissance? The Church has only seen a huge fall in attendance and vocations when it banalized the Mass.

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    Anyway, I have no desire to pursue this, as it's pointless. I have my beliefs, you have yours.

    I doubt we'll ever meet in the middle, or see eye to eye. 99% certain of it, in fact. It would take completely blind, oblivious, Helen Keller style faith, to think otherwise.

    I simply BELIEVE that, due to it's rigid, fanatical adherence to tradition, Catholicism will fall to the wayside, possibly in my grand children's lifetimes, should I have grand children.


    To be fair, I also believe that Islam is following the same path.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What renaissance? The Church has only seen a huge fall in attendance and vocations when it banalized the Mass.
    No, it saw a loss of attendance when it performed various cover ups for child molestation.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's okay. Jesus said to suffer unto Him the little children.

    The ugliness of this thread is fairly predictable, but I would encourage you to resist temptation here. The gambit always is to put people of faith on the defensive.

    I keep thinking as I read along in this thread how Jesus responded at His trial: "You say that I am."
    Jesus also said that it matters not where one worships, or the manner in which one worships, so long as they do so in good faith. The very antithesis of organized, rigid, traditional catholicism.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Anyway, I have no desire to pursue this, as it's pointless. I have my beliefs, you have yours.

    I doubt we'll ever meet in the middle, or see eye to eye. 99% certain of it, in fact. It would take completely blind, oblivious, Helen Keller style faith, to think otherwise.

    I simply BELIEVE that, due to it's rigid, fanatical adherence to tradition, Catholicism will fall to the wayside, possibly in my grand children's lifetimes, should I have grand children.


    To be fair, I also believe that Islam is following the same path.
    It's doing remarkably well for a faith. I really have a hard time believing it will perish any time soon. I'm expecting many of the American variants of Christianity to expire long before Catholicism.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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