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Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

Oh so I didn't say that, and now you are just making **** up to justify your lie about me....Got it.



Of my list the "guns" portion is the only thing you have a problem with eh? Well, we all know that progressives like you will say you don't want to take my guns, til you show up at my door to take my guns....What a joke.

No. Nor is it the only one I addressed. Anytime you say what someone wants, you're threading on thin ground, as you can't read minds. The gun one was just a particularly silly one.

And don't try to dismiss how much you pick non issues to to hammer Obama with this. Take this thread for example. Someone spoke who had a different opinion, he was allowed to speak, got an applause, and there was no Obama issue at all. You might have started a thread to discuss Dr. Carson's points, but you didn't. You did what Dr. Carson called the problem of this country and played the partisan problem.
 
No. Nor is it the only one I addressed. Anytime you say what someone wants, you're threading on thin ground, as you can't read minds. The gun one was just a particularly silly one.

And don't try to dismiss how much you pick non issues to to hammer Obama with this. Take this thread for example. Someone spoke who had a different opinion, he was allowed to speak, got an applause, and there was no Obama issue at all. You might have started a thread to discuss Dr. Carson's points, but you didn't. You did what Dr. Carson called the problem of this country and played the partisan problem.


Well, what Dr. Carson believes in terms of political theory is of no concern to me at this point unless he runs, and if he does, I have the feeling it will either be Republican, or Indy. But, with that said, his points were spot on, which I did mention in the OP....You choose to ignore that though, because it wouldn't let you argue something that isn't there.
 
Well, what Dr. Carson believes in terms of political theory is of no concern to me at this point unless he runs, and if he does, I have the feeling it will either be Republican, or Indy. But, with that said, his points were spot on, which I did mention in the OP....You choose to ignore that though, because it wouldn't let you argue something that isn't there.

His points match your beliefs. This is true. And he did a reasonable job presenting them. But, there are reasonable and intelligent people who disagree. This is not evil, or any name calling you want to present, but the nature of these things. Issue have more than one side because the right and wrong of it is less clear than many try to present them. I think he misunderstands human nature and won't get the results he thinks he will, but that doesn't make him evil or a heartless fascist. he's just a person who i disagree with.

This was the the meat of your OP: You know the last time I saw that look on Obama's face was during the debate when Romney handed him is arse!

I asked you what was there to respond to. I didn't get an answer. But Travis in post 31 said this:

The story is an brain surgeon destroyed Obama and proved OBama to be a loser a vacant liberal halfwit socialsits whos policies are a disaster..

God Bless the great Dr Ben Carson.

You then did in post 37 ask for Obama's give, to which I answered:

Can you show me where I said it was? This fellow disagreed and me nor anyone I can recall called him a name.

As for give, you'll find the reason liberals were upset with Obama during the first term was all the give. He's actually ahead on that pathetic count, sad as it is both ways.

Then there was this post:

Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
The other day I herd Rush commenting the Obama was looking down in disgrace at the mention of health savings accounts......Obama was looking down because he was texting. I know that look, when you phone vibrate and you want to be discreet. You can see the right arm retrieve it from his pocket. When Obama was don, he put his phone up on the table.

To which you relied:

Yeah, I should have known....You know liberals, manners, and class are usually not simpatico...

You are here argeeing which Jerry's assumption and making a wild leap on your own to speak abut all liberals.

I answered you in post 72:

I haven't checked to confirm Jerry's supposition; however, as no one is privy to any inside information on any such call, once again some huge leaps are taking place.

During all of this, with every opportunity, you never actually focused on Dr. Carson's comments. By you and those who agree with you, the focus has been on Obama.
 
During all of this, with every opportunity, you never actually focused on Dr. Carson's comments. By you and those who agree with you, the focus has been on Obama.

The focus has mainly been on Dr, Carson but, because Obama is also in the video, there will naturally be comparisons made between the two. Where is the problem?
 
It's funny how progressives are having a brain burst over this.... The fact he's a black man really pisses them off because they cant call him a racist or any derogatory term for that matter. The fact he's a groundbreaking medical doctor probably pisses progressives off even more....

All of a sudden degrees don't matter unless you're Obama or Van Jones, Eric Holder, Nancy Pelosi (who probably doesn't even have a degree)...

If it matters, I burned my degree, it proves nothing and says nothing about me.
 
His points match your beliefs. This is true.

On the speech he gives here, yes......So?

And he did a reasonable job presenting them.

Ok...."Buuuuuuutttttt"?

But, there are reasonable and intelligent people who disagree.

And there it is.....As the old saying goes, everything before 'but' is bs. So, no you don't think he was reasonable, nor do you think I am for agreeing with him.

This is not evil, or any name calling you want to present, but the nature of these things.

No one that I saw said it was "evil", or called your opposition any names. And you can disagree with the message all you want, doesn't make your opinion right and his wrong....It just is what it is....

Issue have more than one side because the right and wrong of it is less clear than many try to present them.

And quite possibly that is the problem today is it not? I mean, if both sides were less worried about what the polling will say about a speech, or idea, or if politicians didn't try to mask everything they say into an opportunity to deny saying what is clear to everyone with ears then maybe we wouldn't have the problems we have today.

I think he misunderstands human nature and won't get the results he thinks he will...

Are you kidding me? His back story, and what he does for a career, and you don't think he understands far more than you do about what Obamacare will/is doing? Yeah, ok...

but that doesn't make him evil or a heartless fascist.

There's that 'but' again...So, translate...You know he understands human nature, and has a deeper understanding of what this will do to medicine in this country, but since you are so deep in, you've got to hide that fact by impugning his knowledge, and character.

he's just a person who i disagree with.

Man, you could have saved yourself alot of that paragraph by just writing this, and leaving all that other silly dancing, and dishonesty out.

This was the the meat of your OP: You know the last time I saw that look on Obama's face was during the debate when Romney handed him is arse!

No, that was a little tongue in cheek ribbing because obama looked like he was uncomfortable. You know like he does everytime someone who is intelligent is ripping his agenda, and he has no prepared response.

I asked you what was there to respond to. I didn't get an answer. But Travis in post 31 said this:

The story is an brain surgeon destroyed Obama and proved OBama to be a loser a vacant liberal halfwit socialsits whos policies are a disaster..

God Bless the great Dr Ben Carson.
You then did in post 37 ask for Obama's give, to which I answered:

Can you show me where I said it was? This fellow disagreed and me nor anyone I can recall called him a name.

As for give, you'll find the reason liberals were upset with Obama during the first term was all the give. He's actually ahead on that pathetic count, sad as it is both ways.
Then there was this post:

Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
The other day I herd Rush commenting the Obama was looking down in disgrace at the mention of health savings accounts......Obama was looking down because he was texting. I know that look, when you phone vibrate and you want to be discreet. You can see the right arm retrieve it from his pocket. When Obama was don, he put his phone up on the table.
To which you relied:

Yeah, I should have known....You know liberals, manners, and class are usually not simpatico...
You are here argeeing which Jerry's assumption and making a wild leap on your own to speak abut all liberals.

I answered you in post 72:

I haven't checked to confirm Jerry's supposition; however, as no one is privy to any inside information on any such call, once again some huge leaps are taking place.

During all of this, with every opportunity, you never actually focused on Dr. Carson's comments. By you and those who agree with you, the focus has been on Obama.

Oh good grief...I'll tell ya what, why don't you leave all this other contorted stringing together everyone else's opinions to try and find some nefarious under current to what I write, why don't you keep it simple, and just comment on what I say?

I didn't respond to your question because it was irrelevant. Plain and simple. But I think I see what your problem is, you are constantly trying to read between everyone else's postings to tie them together, and twist, and distort the meanings of the thought...As usual it is a suspect approach, and if not outright dishonest, then right on the line...
 
The focus has mainly been on Dr, Carson but, because Obama is also in the video, there will naturally be comparisons made between the two. Where is the problem?

Please point to where his ideas are being debated, especially by j.
 
On the speech he gives here, yes......So?



Ok...."Buuuuuuutttttt"?



And there it is.....As the old saying goes, everything before 'but' is bs. So, no you don't think he was reasonable, nor do you think I am for agreeing with him.



No one that I saw said it was "evil", or called your opposition any names. And you can disagree with the message all you want, doesn't make your opinion right and his wrong....It just is what it is....



And quite possibly that is the problem today is it not? I mean, if both sides were less worried about what the polling will say about a speech, or idea, or if politicians didn't try to mask everything they say into an opportunity to deny saying what is clear to everyone with ears then maybe we wouldn't have the problems we have today.



Are you kidding me? His back story, and what he does for a career, and you don't think he understands far more than you do about what Obamacare will/is doing? Yeah, ok...



There's that 'but' again...So, translate...You know he understands human nature, and has a deeper understanding of what this will do to medicine in this country, but since you are so deep in, you've got to hide that fact by impugning his knowledge, and character.



Man, you could have saved yourself alot of that paragraph by just writing this, and leaving all that other silly dancing, and dishonesty out.



No, that was a little tongue in cheek ribbing because obama looked like he was uncomfortable. You know like he does everytime someone who is intelligent is ripping his agenda, and he has no prepared response.



Oh good grief...I'll tell ya what, why don't you leave all this other contorted stringing together everyone else's opinions to try and find some nefarious under current to what I write, why don't you keep it simple, and just comment on what I say?

I didn't respond to your question because it was irrelevant. Plain and simple. But I think I see what your problem is, you are constantly trying to read between everyone else's postings to tie them together, and twist, and distort the meanings of the thought...As usual it is a suspect approach, and if not outright dishonest, then right on the line...

I think you lose meaning of what is being said by both reading in your biases (the line about before but) and breaking up into too many parts to keep the thought coherent.
 
Please point to where his ideas are being debated, especially by j.

That has nothing to do with the quote.

You said
During all of this, with every opportunity, you never actually focused on Dr. Carson's comments. By you and those who agree with you, the focus has been on Obama.
I said
The focus has mainly been on Dr, Carson but, because Obama is also in the video, there will naturally be comparisons made between the two. Where is the problem?

Then you came up with that odd ball statement.

I doubt Dr. Carson's ideas are anything HBO or yourself would care to debate.
 
That has nothing to do with the quote.

You said

I said


Then you came up with that odd ball statement.

I doubt Dr. Carson's ideas are anything HBO or yourself would care to debate.

I still don't see anyone debating Dr Carson's comments, or even trying to start such a discussion, which s the essence of what I said. And I'd love to debate anything he said. Anytime, any place..
 
I still don't see anyone debating Dr Carson's comments, or even trying to start such a discussion, which s the essence of what I said. And I'd love to debate anything he said. Anytime, any place..


You just had the chance right there, and blew it by trying to deflect. Meh, what a waste of time it is to try and get you to stay on topic, instead of making everything about other posters.
 
You just had the chance right there, and blew it by trying to deflect. Meh, what a waste of time it is to try and get you to stay on topic, instead of making everything about other posters.

There was no chance there. Step and tell me which one you want to discuss. That's all you have to do.
 
There was no chance there. Step and tell me which one you want to discuss. That's all you have to do.

Well, let's give you a little test to that....

"Carson charged that Obama’s policies are negatively impacting unemployment and entrepreneurship in the black community. He also said that he has doubts as to whether African Americans would support a president with the same policies if he or she wasn’t black."

Dr. Carson Tells TheBlaze How Obama Reacted to His Bold Prayer Breakfast Speech: ‘I Figured He Would Just Be Fuming’ | TheBlaze.com

Address that.
 
I still don't see anyone debating Dr Carson's comments, or even trying to start such a discussion, which s the essence of what I said. And I'd love to debate anything he said. Anytime, any place..

Which begs the question as to why you are even on this thread.

It seems your presence is only to divert criticism from Barrack Obama. I see no other reason.
 
Well, let's give you a little test to that....

"Carson charged that Obama’s policies are negatively impacting unemployment and entrepreneurship in the black community. He also said that he has doubts as to whether African Americans would support a president with the same policies if he or she wasn’t black."

Dr. Carson Tells TheBlaze How Obama Reacted to His Bold Prayer Breakfast Speech: ‘I Figured He Would Just Be Fuming’ | TheBlaze.com

Address that.

Not sure why you linked Obama wasn't mad article, but it appears Dr. Carson may not be accurate:

Recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that black self-employment has been on the rise, wrote Small Business Trend. The number of self-employed blacks grew by 5.7 percent from 2007 through 2009, in contrast to the 3.4 decrease experienced by self-employed whites.

Black Entrepreneurship On The Rise As Self-Employment Becomes An Option For Jobless Black Graduates

African American unemployment has remained stagnant. This is not new, and low minority employment is not new to Obama, so he has to be more specific as to what policies directly effect minorities. Too make false causal connections, and I suspect that is being done here is a well, but due to a lack of specifics, I'm not sure what to address. Presidents don't hire. And shrinking government means letting people go.

Perhaps you can fill in some more details, and not just speculate on Obama's reaction? ;)
 
Which begs the question as to why you are even on this thread.

It seems your presence is only to divert criticism from Barrack Obama. I see no other reason.

Divert? More to take notice of hackery.
 
Divert? More to take notice of hackery.

Yes, yes, we get it. Any criticism of Bush, for example, is just the facts whereas any criticism of bama is 'hackery'.

That's typical of the Leftist response and has become sooooooo tired.
 
Yes, yes, we get it. Any criticism of Bush, for example, is just the facts whereas any criticism of bama is 'hackery'.

That's typical of the Leftist response and has become sooooooo tired.

Not any of it. The behind 9/11 and Hitler stuff was hackery. There are legitimate issues with both, but how he reacted here isn't anything but hackery.
 
Not sure why you linked Obama wasn't mad article, but it appears Dr. Carson may not be accurate:

Recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that black self-employment has been on the rise, wrote Small Business Trend. The number of self-employed blacks grew by 5.7 percent from 2007 through 2009, in contrast to the 3.4 decrease experienced by self-employed whites.

Black Entrepreneurship On The Rise As Self-Employment Becomes An Option For Jobless Black Graduates

African American unemployment has remained stagnant. This is not new, and low minority employment is not new to Obama, so he has to be more specific as to what policies directly effect minorities. Too make false causal connections, and I suspect that is being done here is a well, but due to a lack of specifics, I'm not sure what to address. Presidents don't hire. And shrinking government means letting people go.

Perhaps you can fill in some more details, and not just speculate on Obama's reaction? ;)


Interesting....The first thing you tried to do was attack the article, instead of addressing the quote from it...Then, in a deflection move, you shifted to Black entrepreneurship rather than address the comment made which was about black unemployment. Studies have shown, and experts agree that when jobs in the community are simply not available, then some rise in self employment is expected, however, though you look for the silver lining, the fact is that Obama is a dismal failure in the black community as far as creating jobs is concerned.

"The African-American unemployment rate stands at an outrageous 16.2 percent—not a number the Obama White House wants under the mantle of the nation’s first black president.

While CBS News reports that the national black unemployment rate is usually higher than the overall unemployment rate, these figures stand at Depression-era levels. Worse? Black teenagers have a devastating unemployment level of 41 percent.

Burdensome business regulations, restrictive minimum wage laws, and a severe lack of certainty in the private sector hurt low-skilled workers’ job prospects the most. If things continue going the way of failed Keynesian policy, the outlook is grim."

snip

"It’s been clear for some time that trillion-dollar spending sprees and dangerous borrowing policies are a myth of the hope that proved unfounded after the 2008 election. It’s past time for President Obama to admit economic defeat and start putting job growth before job-killing ideology. High unemployment rates lead to a deeply flailing economy and more government spending for unemployment benefits and welfare. It’s a vicious that cycle that must end to get Americans back to work."

African-American Unemployment Rises Under Obama - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

Yet as you tout black self employment which is a small percentage, the rise in over all welfare programs is staggering....Further, in the black community it is disproportional to other ethnic categories...

"The federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP (still referred to as the “food stamp program” despite the fact that it covers more than food stamps) has swelled to nearly 45 million participants, at a cost of $75 billion. Republican presidential candidates have focused on the food stamp program during the 2012 GOP primary season as evidence of President Obama’s development of a welfare state at the expense of job creation.

According to 2010 U.S. Census data, blacks comprise only 12% of the U.S. population, yet make up 26% of SNAP recipients."

Another Way to Look at Food Stamps? | Carolyn Edgar

While both you and I can, and will applaud those Blacks that have managed to find a niche in the marketplace today and start a business, that is a cop out when the totality of the problem in the African American community is addressed. Obama has failed at that.
 
Interesting....The first thing you tried to do was attack the article, instead of addressing the quote from it...Then, in a deflection move, you shifted to Black entrepreneurship rather than address the comment made which was about black unemployment. Studies have shown, and experts agree that when jobs in the community are simply not available, then some rise in self employment is expected, however, though you look for the silver lining, the fact is that Obama is a dismal failure in the black community as far as creating jobs is concerned.

"The African-American unemployment rate stands at an outrageous 16.2 percent—not a number the Obama White House wants under the mantle of the nation’s first black president.

While CBS News reports that the national black unemployment rate is usually higher than the overall unemployment rate, these figures stand at Depression-era levels. Worse? Black teenagers have a devastating unemployment level of 41 percent.

Burdensome business regulations, restrictive minimum wage laws, and a severe lack of certainty in the private sector hurt low-skilled workers’ job prospects the most. If things continue going the way of failed Keynesian policy, the outlook is grim."

snip

"It’s been clear for some time that trillion-dollar spending sprees and dangerous borrowing policies are a myth of the hope that proved unfounded after the 2008 election. It’s past time for President Obama to admit economic defeat and start putting job growth before job-killing ideology. High unemployment rates lead to a deeply flailing economy and more government spending for unemployment benefits and welfare. It’s a vicious that cycle that must end to get Americans back to work."

African-American Unemployment Rises Under Obama - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

Yet as you tout black self employment which is a small percentage, the rise in over all welfare programs is staggering....Further, in the black community it is disproportional to other ethnic categories...

"The federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP (still referred to as the “food stamp program” despite the fact that it covers more than food stamps) has swelled to nearly 45 million participants, at a cost of $75 billion. Republican presidential candidates have focused on the food stamp program during the 2012 GOP primary season as evidence of President Obama’s development of a welfare state at the expense of job creation.

According to 2010 U.S. Census data, blacks comprise only 12% of the U.S. population, yet make up 26% of SNAP recipients."

Another Way to Look at Food Stamps? | Carolyn Edgar

While both you and I can, and will applaud those Blacks that have managed to find a niche in the marketplace today and start a business, that is a cop out when the totality of the problem in the African American community is addressed. Obama has failed at that.

it was a funny article.

However, I did address points.

None of what you list is new under Obama. This is the point I tried to make. Nor have you shown Obama is responsible for it. Showing cause and effect requires more.
 
Interesting....

I wanted to answer you first before I looked for support, so here is my continuation. I said this earlier:

Black Unemployment Crisis: Loss Of Government Jobs Hurts African Americans Hardest

(snip)

The disproportionate vulnerability of African American employees to the impacts of government budget cuts helps explain why black workers have fared so much worse than other slices of the population since the recession’s end.

Black Unemployment Crisis: Loss Of Government Jobs Hurts African Americans Hardest

If true, your actually faulting Obama for doing what conservatives call for him to do.

Here's another view:

Five Factors Causing the ‘Decimation’ of the Black Middle Class

Five Factors Causing the ‘Decimation’ of the Black Middle Class | DCentric

That was just to show you can go to any political group and find an answer any ideology will like.

The point is, you have to show how Obama is to blame for has been going on since long before him.
 
The point is, you have to show how Obama is to blame for has been going on since long before him.

Wasn't Obama the "Hope and Change" candidate?

Now you're making excuses for him by his carrying out the same policies as his predecessors. How has Barrack Obama helped Black people?

Obama is rightly called The Food Stamp President. Which group of people do you think this effects the most?
 
Wasn't Obama the "Hope and Change" candidate?

Now you're making excuses for him by his carrying out the same policies as his predecessors. How has Barrack Obama helped Black people?

Obama is rightly called The Food Stamp President. Which group of people do you think this effects the most?

Campaign slogans don't mean much, and if you're using them as an argument either for support or against someone, there's not a lot of thinking going on.

Again, show actions that lead to results and not just regurgitate the claim. No matter how snapy the sound bite, it just isn't evidence.
 
Campaign slogans don't mean much, and if you're using them as an argument either for support or against someone, there's not a lot of thinking going on.

Oh yes, of course they don;t mean much but the leftists still believed him, Every word. Didn't you want to believe him?
Again, show actions that lead to results and not just regurgitate the claim. No matter how snapy the sound bite, it just isn't evidence.

Which claim are you referring to?
 
Oh yes, of course they don;t mean much but the leftists still believed him, Every word. Didn't you want to believe him?

This is an assumption your part. yes, the political season tends to get people fired up a bit, but really most of us know the difference between slogans and reality. We simply pick the one closest to our beliefs.

Which claim are you referring to?

The food stamp claim and Obama being the cause of employment issues in the black community (the issue j brought up to which you joined).
 
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