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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    It wasn't always fighting to pay them less. One of the worst strikes, the Homestead Strike, happened because the union wanted double the 30% increase in wages that Andrew Carnegie had offered. So Carnegie allowed his number two to attempt to bust the union while he was away in Europe.

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    You mean this:

    Carnegie's mighty steel industry was not immune to the downturn. In 1890, the price of rolled-steel products started to decline, dropping from $35 a gross ton to $22 early in 1892. In the face of depressed steel prices, Henry C. Frick, general manager of the Homestead plant that Carnegie largely owned, was determined to cut wages and break the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers, one of the strongest craft unions in the country.

    Behind the scenes, Carnegie supported Frick's plans. In the spring of 1892, Carnegie had Frick produce as much armor plate as possible before the union's contract expired at the end of June. If the union failed to accept Frick's terms, Carnegie instructed him to shut down the plant and wait until the workers buckled. "We... approve of anything you do," Carnegie wrote from England in words he would later come to regret. "We are with you to the end."

    With Carnegie's carte blanche support, Frick moved to slash wages.

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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean this:

    Carnegie's mighty steel industry was not immune to the downturn. In 1890, the price of rolled-steel products started to decline, dropping from $35 a gross ton to $22 early in 1892. In the face of depressed steel prices, Henry C. Frick, general manager of the Homestead plant that Carnegie largely owned, was determined to cut wages and break the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers, one of the strongest craft unions in the country.

    Behind the scenes, Carnegie supported Frick's plans. In the spring of 1892, Carnegie had Frick produce as much armor plate as possible before the union's contract expired at the end of June. If the union failed to accept Frick's terms, Carnegie instructed him to shut down the plant and wait until the workers buckled. "We... approve of anything you do," Carnegie wrote from England in words he would later come to regret. "We are with you to the end."

    With Carnegie's carte blanche support, Frick moved to slash wages.

    American Experience . The Richest Man in the World: Andrew Carnegie . People & Events | The Homestead Strike | PBS
    Carnegie is well known for increasing his profits by decreasing prices. It very well could be that his profits went up 60% and the price also fell 35 to 22. So both might be correct.

    Carnegie I believe was not anti-union. Frick convinced Carnegie to allow him to break up the union, but I believe he was quoted as saying that he didn't want to see any blood shed over the incident. It is possible that he was convinced because the union refused his offered 30% increase. I'm not saying your source is wrong, but I don't see any proof that both sources aren't right on the issue.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

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    I doubt the sincerity. Off topic, have you seen Atlas Shrugged II ?...........................
    Well, Republican states like Arizona are the ones with a reputation for trying to restrict illegal immigrants and are the ones calling for more border security and deportations.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Okay, we are a little far into the weeds here. Listen, the bottom line is that Dr. Carson outlined an alternative view to Obama's agenda, and what was the fall out for that? He (Dr. Carson) was ripped in the liberal media.

    Nothing new here, a conservative, or free market African American speaks out, and is immediately attacked.
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    I love Dr Ben Carson... God Bless him..

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    I love Dr Ben Carson... God Bless him..
    He is a great guy. I met him one time during a fund raiser dinner for pediatric brain mapping research in Balto when I lived there...He is a very gracious, and humble guy for sure, and a great conversationalist....
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Okay, we are a little far into the weeds here. Listen, the bottom line is that Dr. Carson outlined an alternative view to Obama's agenda, and what was the fall out for that? He (Dr. Carson) was ripped in the liberal media.

    Nothing new here, a conservative, or free market African American speaks out, and is immediately attacked.
    Ripped? Did I miss that or is thus a goal post change?

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ripped? Did I miss that or is thus a goal post change?

    No, just trying to get it back out of the weeds, and on topic.
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, just trying to get it back out of the weeds, and on topic.
    But that wasn't the topic. The OP doesn't present the media picking on Dr. Carson. The OP merely shows the speech with a comment from you about the look on Obama's face. I admit that isn't much of a topic, but it is the one in the OP. Where does the "liberal media" come in?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But that wasn't the topic. The OP doesn't present the media picking on Dr. Carson. The OP merely shows the speech with a comment from you about the look on Obama's face. I admit that isn't much of a topic, but it is the one in the OP. Where does the "liberal media" come in?
    In the reporting of this speech....
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