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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Interesting....
    I wanted to answer you first before I looked for support, so here is my continuation. I said this earlier:

    Black Unemployment Crisis: Loss Of Government Jobs Hurts African Americans Hardest

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    The disproportionate vulnerability of African American employees to the impacts of government budget cuts helps explain why black workers have fared so much worse than other slices of the population since the recession’s end.

    Black Unemployment Crisis: Loss Of Government Jobs Hurts African Americans Hardest

    If true, your actually faulting Obama for doing what conservatives call for him to do.

    Here's another view:

    Five Factors Causing the ‘Decimation’ of the Black Middle Class

    Five Factors Causing the ‘Decimation’ of the Black Middle Class | DCentric

    That was just to show you can go to any political group and find an answer any ideology will like.

    The point is, you have to show how Obama is to blame for has been going on since long before him.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    The point is, you have to show how Obama is to blame for has been going on since long before him.
    Wasn't Obama the "Hope and Change" candidate?

    Now you're making excuses for him by his carrying out the same policies as his predecessors. How has Barrack Obama helped Black people?

    Obama is rightly called The Food Stamp President. Which group of people do you think this effects the most?

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Wasn't Obama the "Hope and Change" candidate?

    Now you're making excuses for him by his carrying out the same policies as his predecessors. How has Barrack Obama helped Black people?

    Obama is rightly called The Food Stamp President. Which group of people do you think this effects the most?
    Campaign slogans don't mean much, and if you're using them as an argument either for support or against someone, there's not a lot of thinking going on.

    Again, show actions that lead to results and not just regurgitate the claim. No matter how snapy the sound bite, it just isn't evidence.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Campaign slogans don't mean much, and if you're using them as an argument either for support or against someone, there's not a lot of thinking going on.
    Oh yes, of course they don;t mean much but the leftists still believed him, Every word. Didn't you want to believe him?
    Again, show actions that lead to results and not just regurgitate the claim. No matter how snapy the sound bite, it just isn't evidence.
    Which claim are you referring to?

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Oh yes, of course they don;t mean much but the leftists still believed him, Every word. Didn't you want to believe him?
    This is an assumption your part. yes, the political season tends to get people fired up a bit, but really most of us know the difference between slogans and reality. We simply pick the one closest to our beliefs.

    Which claim are you referring to?
    The food stamp claim and Obama being the cause of employment issues in the black community (the issue j brought up to which you joined).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Campaign slogans don't mean much, and if you're using them as an argument either for support or against someone, there's not a lot of thinking going on.

    Again, show actions that lead to results and not just regurgitate the claim. No matter how snapy the sound bite, it just isn't evidence.

    The article from Heritage laid it out how burdensome regulation on businesses are harming people in the AA sector more so than any other sector. Further, Unemployment in the black community rose under Obama. Now, did he cause that? Or are we to believe that only republican Presidents cause things, and demo Presidents are never to be held accountable for anything they pursue in their agendas? Because, I gotta tell ya Joe, it appears all you are doing is making excuses for him.

    Black unemployment was 12.7% when Obama took office, today it is 14.3%, and 41% in the black youth sector...Now you tell me, would that be excused away under a republican? I don't think so.

    "Since Obama made that speech, he has served almost four years in the White House, and African-Americans’ median wealth has crashed, their wages have flat lined, their unemployment has spiked, and their political power has waned.

    The metaphorical bullet wound has turned septic.

    Obama used his speech to call for stronger African-American families, saying, “If we want to stop the cycle of Poverty, we must start with our families.”

    But the percentage of adult African-Americans in poverty rose from 19.8 percent in 2007 to 23 percent in 2010, according to the Census Bureau. The percentage of African-American children in poverty rose from 34.5 percent to 39.1 percent in 2010. African-Americans’ formal Unemployment Rate jumped from 9 percent in June 2007 to 14.5 percent this August.

    And the reality is worse: The percentage of African-Americans in the workforce fell from 58.6 percent in June 2007, down to 52.8 percent in August 2012. Less than half of young African-American men have full-time jobs."



    Read more: Under Obama, black unemployment up; wealth, wages down | The Daily Caller
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The article from Heritage laid it out how burdensome regulation on businesses are harming people in the AA sector more so than any other sector. Further, Unemployment in the black community rose under Obama. Now, did he cause that? Or are we to believe that only republican Presidents cause things, and demo Presidents are never to be held accountable for anything they pursue in their agendas? Because, I gotta tell ya Joe, it appears all you are doing is making excuses for him.

    Black unemployment was 12.7% when Obama took office, today it is 14.3%, and 41% in the black youth sector...Now you tell me, would that be excused away under a republican? I don't think so.

    "Since Obama made that speech, he has served almost four years in the White House, and African-Americans’ median wealth has crashed, their wages have flat lined, their unemployment has spiked, and their political power has waned.

    The metaphorical bullet wound has turned septic.

    Obama used his speech to call for stronger African-American families, saying, “If we want to stop the cycle of Poverty, we must start with our families.”

    But the percentage of adult African-Americans in poverty rose from 19.8 percent in 2007 to 23 percent in 2010, according to the Census Bureau. The percentage of African-American children in poverty rose from 34.5 percent to 39.1 percent in 2010. African-Americans’ formal Unemployment Rate jumped from 9 percent in June 2007 to 14.5 percent this August.

    And the reality is worse: The percentage of African-Americans in the workforce fell from 58.6 percent in June 2007, down to 52.8 percent in August 2012. Less than half of young African-American men have full-time jobs."



    Read more: Under Obama, black unemployment up; wealth, wages down | The Daily Caller
    First, the fixation on regulations would mean more to me if there was some distinction between what is burdensome and what is necessary. I can't remember ever getting any idea which is which. As I recall, we have managed to have employment with regulations.

    Second, are you and your sources suggesting regulations only effect black folk? Jobs have improved slightly, but only black people can't work due to regulations? The over population of blacks in government jobs seems more reasonable than that.

    And yes, the numbers rose. We went through a recession. And a good number of government jobs were lost. Again, a more reasonable explanation.

    I also point out these numbers are not different than we've seen before. Any possibility it has nothing to do with the president?

    When we headed into this recession (and no I don't think it was Bush's fault), we had less regulations and tax cuts in place. This is a fact. Yet as magical as some claim those things are, we still fell. Again, likely because of forces beyond the presidency.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, the fixation on regulations would mean more to me if there was some distinction between what is burdensome and what is necessary. I can't remember ever getting any idea which is which. As I recall, we have managed to have employment with regulations.

    Second, are you and your sources suggesting regulations only effect black folk? Jobs have improved slightly, but only black people can't work due to regulations? The over population of blacks in government jobs seems more reasonable than that.

    And yes, the numbers rose. We went through a recession. And a good number of government jobs were lost. Again, a more reasonable explanation.

    I also point out these numbers are not different than we've seen before. Any possibility it has nothing to do with the president?

    When we headed into this recession (and no I don't think it was Bush's fault), we had less regulations and tax cuts in place. This is a fact. Yet as magical as some claim those things are, we still fell. Again, likely because of forces beyond the presidency.
    So, still excuses then...Well, at least it only took several pages this time to come to the conclusion that you were bluffing.....I really don't have time anymore to listen to your constant excuse making. This exercise fails thanks to your not approaching it honestly. Congratulations. Fail.
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, still excuses then...Well, at least it only took several pages this time to come to the conclusion that you were bluffing.....I really don't have time anymore to listen to your constant excuse making. This exercise fails thanks to your not approaching it honestly. Congratulations. Fail.
    J, you can't dismiss all reasoning you don't like as excuses. I've laid out the reasoning and linked support. You merely don't want top address it, so you slide out with a weak insult.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, you can't dismiss all reasoning you don't like as excuses.
    When one calls something what it is, that is not explained away by labeling it "something I don't like" (ie; your diversion to use black self employment as an answer to the rise in black unemployment under Obama) you have to at some point think about what you are typing in here, and say to yourself, 'man, this is transparently wrong.'

    I've laid out the reasoning and linked support. You merely don't want top address it...
    You've laid out support to a question that wasn't asked....I asked you to address Dr. Carson's comments on the black unemployment under Obama, which has risen. Instead you tried to immediately come back with how black entrepreneurship was up, and that may well be. Good for those few that have started their own businesses...But, that doesn't address the question, it is ..... Ahem.... an excuse NOT to address the question by diverting the original question.

    ...so you slide out with a weak insult.
    No one insulted you Joe. Sorry you don't like the truth. Calling something what it is, is not an insult to you, it is what it is....If you don't like being called out for diverting the question, then just answer it.
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