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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

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    I still don't see anyone debating Dr Carson's comments, or even trying to start such a discussion, which s the essence of what I said. And I'd love to debate anything he said. Anytime, any place..

    You just had the chance right there, and blew it by trying to deflect. Meh, what a waste of time it is to try and get you to stay on topic, instead of making everything about other posters.
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

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    You just had the chance right there, and blew it by trying to deflect. Meh, what a waste of time it is to try and get you to stay on topic, instead of making everything about other posters.
    There was no chance there. Step and tell me which one you want to discuss. That's all you have to do.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There was no chance there. Step and tell me which one you want to discuss. That's all you have to do.
    Well, let's give you a little test to that....

    "Carson charged that Obama’s policies are negatively impacting unemployment and entrepreneurship in the black community. He also said that he has doubts as to whether African Americans would support a president with the same policies if he or she wasn’t black."

    Dr. Carson Tells TheBlaze How Obama Reacted to His Bold Prayer Breakfast Speech: ‘I Figured He Would Just Be Fuming’ | TheBlaze.com

    Address that.
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I still don't see anyone debating Dr Carson's comments, or even trying to start such a discussion, which s the essence of what I said. And I'd love to debate anything he said. Anytime, any place..
    Which begs the question as to why you are even on this thread.

    It seems your presence is only to divert criticism from Barrack Obama. I see no other reason.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, let's give you a little test to that....

    "Carson charged that Obama’s policies are negatively impacting unemployment and entrepreneurship in the black community. He also said that he has doubts as to whether African Americans would support a president with the same policies if he or she wasn’t black."

    Dr. Carson Tells TheBlaze How Obama Reacted to His Bold Prayer Breakfast Speech: ‘I Figured He Would Just Be Fuming’ | TheBlaze.com

    Address that.
    Not sure why you linked Obama wasn't mad article, but it appears Dr. Carson may not be accurate:

    Recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that black self-employment has been on the rise, wrote Small Business Trend. The number of self-employed blacks grew by 5.7 percent from 2007 through 2009, in contrast to the 3.4 decrease experienced by self-employed whites.

    Black Entrepreneurship On The Rise As Self-Employment Becomes An Option For Jobless Black Graduates

    African American unemployment has remained stagnant. This is not new, and low minority employment is not new to Obama, so he has to be more specific as to what policies directly effect minorities. Too make false causal connections, and I suspect that is being done here is a well, but due to a lack of specifics, I'm not sure what to address. Presidents don't hire. And shrinking government means letting people go.

    Perhaps you can fill in some more details, and not just speculate on Obama's reaction?

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which begs the question as to why you are even on this thread.

    It seems your presence is only to divert criticism from Barrack Obama. I see no other reason.
    Divert? More to take notice of hackery.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Divert? More to take notice of hackery.
    Yes, yes, we get it. Any criticism of Bush, for example, is just the facts whereas any criticism of bama is 'hackery'.

    That's typical of the Leftist response and has become sooooooo tired.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

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    Yes, yes, we get it. Any criticism of Bush, for example, is just the facts whereas any criticism of bama is 'hackery'.

    That's typical of the Leftist response and has become sooooooo tired.
    Not any of it. The behind 9/11 and Hitler stuff was hackery. There are legitimate issues with both, but how he reacted here isn't anything but hackery.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure why you linked Obama wasn't mad article, but it appears Dr. Carson may not be accurate:

    Recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that black self-employment has been on the rise, wrote Small Business Trend. The number of self-employed blacks grew by 5.7 percent from 2007 through 2009, in contrast to the 3.4 decrease experienced by self-employed whites.

    Black Entrepreneurship On The Rise As Self-Employment Becomes An Option For Jobless Black Graduates

    African American unemployment has remained stagnant. This is not new, and low minority employment is not new to Obama, so he has to be more specific as to what policies directly effect minorities. Too make false causal connections, and I suspect that is being done here is a well, but due to a lack of specifics, I'm not sure what to address. Presidents don't hire. And shrinking government means letting people go.

    Perhaps you can fill in some more details, and not just speculate on Obama's reaction?

    Interesting....The first thing you tried to do was attack the article, instead of addressing the quote from it...Then, in a deflection move, you shifted to Black entrepreneurship rather than address the comment made which was about black unemployment. Studies have shown, and experts agree that when jobs in the community are simply not available, then some rise in self employment is expected, however, though you look for the silver lining, the fact is that Obama is a dismal failure in the black community as far as creating jobs is concerned.

    "The African-American unemployment rate stands at an outrageous 16.2 percentónot a number the Obama White House wants under the mantle of the nationís first black president.

    While CBS News reports that the national black unemployment rate is usually higher than the overall unemployment rate, these figures stand at Depression-era levels. Worse? Black teenagers have a devastating unemployment level of 41 percent.

    Burdensome business regulations, restrictive minimum wage laws, and a severe lack of certainty in the private sector hurt low-skilled workersí job prospects the most. If things continue going the way of failed Keynesian policy, the outlook is grim."

    snip

    "Itís been clear for some time that trillion-dollar spending sprees and dangerous borrowing policies are a myth of the hope that proved unfounded after the 2008 election. Itís past time for President Obama to admit economic defeat and start putting job growth before job-killing ideology. High unemployment rates lead to a deeply flailing economy and more government spending for unemployment benefits and welfare. Itís a vicious that cycle that must end to get Americans back to work."

    African-American Unemployment Rises Under Obama - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

    Yet as you tout black self employment which is a small percentage, the rise in over all welfare programs is staggering....Further, in the black community it is disproportional to other ethnic categories...

    "The federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP (still referred to as the ďfood stamp programĒ despite the fact that it covers more than food stamps) has swelled to nearly 45 million participants, at a cost of $75 billion. Republican presidential candidates have focused on the food stamp program during the 2012 GOP primary season as evidence of President Obamaís development of a welfare state at the expense of job creation.

    According to 2010 U.S. Census data, blacks comprise only 12% of the U.S. population, yet make up 26% of SNAP recipients."

    Another Way to Look at Food Stamps? | Carolyn Edgar

    While both you and I can, and will applaud those Blacks that have managed to find a niche in the marketplace today and start a business, that is a cop out when the totality of the problem in the African American community is addressed. Obama has failed at that.
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    Re: Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech at prayer breakfast

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Interesting....The first thing you tried to do was attack the article, instead of addressing the quote from it...Then, in a deflection move, you shifted to Black entrepreneurship rather than address the comment made which was about black unemployment. Studies have shown, and experts agree that when jobs in the community are simply not available, then some rise in self employment is expected, however, though you look for the silver lining, the fact is that Obama is a dismal failure in the black community as far as creating jobs is concerned.

    "The African-American unemployment rate stands at an outrageous 16.2 percent—not a number the Obama White House wants under the mantle of the nation’s first black president.

    While CBS News reports that the national black unemployment rate is usually higher than the overall unemployment rate, these figures stand at Depression-era levels. Worse? Black teenagers have a devastating unemployment level of 41 percent.

    Burdensome business regulations, restrictive minimum wage laws, and a severe lack of certainty in the private sector hurt low-skilled workers’ job prospects the most. If things continue going the way of failed Keynesian policy, the outlook is grim."

    snip

    "It’s been clear for some time that trillion-dollar spending sprees and dangerous borrowing policies are a myth of the hope that proved unfounded after the 2008 election. It’s past time for President Obama to admit economic defeat and start putting job growth before job-killing ideology. High unemployment rates lead to a deeply flailing economy and more government spending for unemployment benefits and welfare. It’s a vicious that cycle that must end to get Americans back to work."

    African-American Unemployment Rises Under Obama - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

    Yet as you tout black self employment which is a small percentage, the rise in over all welfare programs is staggering....Further, in the black community it is disproportional to other ethnic categories...

    "The federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP (still referred to as the “food stamp program” despite the fact that it covers more than food stamps) has swelled to nearly 45 million participants, at a cost of $75 billion. Republican presidential candidates have focused on the food stamp program during the 2012 GOP primary season as evidence of President Obama’s development of a welfare state at the expense of job creation.

    According to 2010 U.S. Census data, blacks comprise only 12% of the U.S. population, yet make up 26% of SNAP recipients."

    Another Way to Look at Food Stamps? | Carolyn Edgar

    While both you and I can, and will applaud those Blacks that have managed to find a niche in the marketplace today and start a business, that is a cop out when the totality of the problem in the African American community is addressed. Obama has failed at that.
    it was a funny article.

    However, I did address points.

    None of what you list is new under Obama. This is the point I tried to make. Nor have you shown Obama is responsible for it. Showing cause and effect requires more.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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