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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    She committed fraud. He didn't father the children he shouldn't be held to child support. If a man marries a woman with a child he is not responsible for child support if they later separate/divorce. Really basic concept here.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    There is a difference. I think you see it to be more than what it is. Pregnancy is not the act of creation; that moment already came and went.

    And it took two folks in the back of a Volkswagen or some other more comfortable place (Mallrats reference, snoooooch) to make that happen. From that moment on there was a new human that those two folks should be held responsible for.



    Let's try this another way, then.

    If the biological father had been involved with the mother, then abandoned her, and then some other man comes along, marries her, accepts that child as his own? That is something else than what happened here.

    Perhaps the word "real" is poor a choice for either in those circumstances. There is a father that embraces and accepts a child that knows he is not its biological father, but he takes on the social role and expectations of that man. He is not the biological father, but socially... and yes, I guess in a very real way, he is a father to that child. But the biological father is also a father in a very real way.

    If we're being strict about definitions and not including performing the social expectations expected of someone else, then no, such a person can never be a father... but even then, you can modify the term... "adopted father," "stepfather," etc. And we do. This is descriptive. But the biological father does not even truly need the term "biological," now does he? That's implied. Every Homo sapiens has one; we're a sexually reproducing species.

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    But in this case? The above never happened. The man never accepted that social role. He never had that opportunity. It was stolen from him. His wife betrayed him. He never, ever consented to raise the children of his wife and another man, and another man, and another man. He is socially nothing and biologically nothing. He was simply a victim. The state is compelling him to continue being his ex-wife's victim. That is wrong.



    Gladly, though surely, if we are consistent individuals, and it seems we both are, the same values that inform our positions on that issue will inform our position on this issue.



    No, certainly not. But then, they have abdicated that responsibility... in a responsible way, in a way that allowed someone else to voluntarily accept the financial and social obligations of their role, obligations that the parents no doubt felt they could not provide. There is nothing disreputable in that, nothing to disparage, and no, the terms of this arrangement sever financial responsibility.



    No, certainly not. See above.



    They are not his children, not socially or biologically. He never agreed to adopt the children of three unknown men and his unfaithful wife.



    He is financially responsible for his child... and only his child. He created that child.

    He never agreed to adopt the other three.



    No, not for that... But she does owe him.

    How much is 50% of the room and board expenses for three children over the course of over a dozen years? He never had the opportunity to agree to pay for those expenses that he was not liable for. He was the victim of a con, a fraud, and frankly he should be entitled to recompense.
    I agree with everything except the very end. She does owe him. But at the same time money shouldn't be ripped away from her family. What happened happened. They enjoyed the moments they had when they thought they were a family and he had smiles. But now that times have changed I dont think its good to hinder the mother by detracting from her. Just "weening" or severing the ill gotten teet. She doesnt need to be punished. She just needs to leave this poor guy alone if thats what he wants.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    ^ I very much disagree on that point.

    She deserves such hindrance. Perhaps it would prompt her to jog that memory of hers for exactly whom she slept around with around the time of each kid's conception, and thus enable the fathers of these children to pay their fair share of the room and board for their offspring.

    They did the deed, and that has consequences. To the fathers, I feel all that needs be said is "Wrap it up next time, braniac."

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I pretty much disagree. She deserves such hindrance. Perhaps it would prompt her to jog that memory of hers for exactly whom she slept around with around the time of each kid's conception, and thus enable the fathers of these children to pay their fair share of the room and board for their offspring.

    They did the deed, and that has consequences. Wrap it up next time, braniac.
    If she wants to try to be a single mother she can. But that would be pretty impossible if she had to back pay the years she was married. If a friend (or anyone) lies to you about something important (so you break off the relationship) and you bought him McDonalds 200 days a year for 10 years do you get to get all your lunch money back?
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If she wants to try to be a single mother she can. But that would be pretty impossible if she had to back pay the years she was married. If a friend (or anyone) lies to you about something important (so you break off the relationship) and you bought him McDonalds 200 days a year for 10 years do you get to get all your lunch money back?
    Well. Kind of a bad example, yeah?

    I mean, if your friend sold you a car and that car was a lemon, then a) that asshole was not your friend and b) you probably would want your money back for this fraud, and you would be able to get it.

    But that still isn't a very good example... just better. The kids aren't lemons... but at the same time, he didn't have to assume the expense. I'm not sure how exactly to draw an analogy here...

    So let's not. Directly, his wife is a ****ty person, and she sold him a big, life-changing lie, that they had made another kid together... three times. And because he thought they were his kids, because he trusted his wife - something every husband should be able to do - he naturally assumed financial expenses he would not otherwise be obliged to assume.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You seem to think that a mother has more responsibility for this act of creation than a father does, when this is not the case. It takes two to tango, as it were.
    Pregnant women can choose to use a morning after pill, have an abortion or give up the child for adoption. The father doesn't have these options, so the mother does have more responsibility since she has the freedom of choice. (ethically, not necessarily legally)

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
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    I have absolutely no sympathy for this man. Married for sixteen years, raising four children for over a decade-- and he demands a paternity test when he gets a divorce? I think about the message that sends his children and all I can think is "**** this guy". And I reject the notion that, again, after a decade of raising three children that he is anything but their real father.
    I agree with you but they're not his kids. Why do the kids genetic father get a free pass here?

    I have an uncle that went through this same crap with one of his kids.

    On one hand you believe you have children that are yours, then you come to find out they aren't, not to mention realize your wife cheated on you and now you're stuck financially responsible for the whole mess?

    What about the kids? well I wonder how they feel the father they thought was theirs biologically really isn't, the fact their mother is a slut probably doesn't boast well either in their minds.

    So the evil in situations like this is the mother. The "father" and the kids are nothing more than victims. The kids should shun their mother - I would if I was in that position.

    Like I said - I have an uncle and pseudo-cousin that went through this so I understand how difficult it is.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

    I have absolutely no sympathy for this man. Married for sixteen years, raising four children for over a decade-- and he demands a paternity test when he gets a divorce? I think about the message that sends his children and all I can think is "**** this guy". And I reject the notion that, again, after a decade of raising three children that he is anything but their real father.

    Personally, I think the father should get custody of all the children and the unfaithful wife should pay the child support.


    That's a generic reaction, btw... the particulars of the situation would determine what would actually be best. I have no idea if this man was a good father or not, or if he would continue to be after knowing what he now knows.

    Me, I couldn't raise a kid for ten years without considering him "mine", regardless of his parentage.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Personally, I think the father should get custody of all the children and the unfaithful wife should pay the child support.


    That's a generic reaction, btw... the particulars of the situation would determine what would actually be best. I have no idea if this man was a good father or not, or if he would continue to be after knowing what he now knows.

    Me, I couldn't raise a kid for ten years without considering him "mine", regardless of his parentage.
    You don't know if the woman was a good mother either. Child support can be spent irresponsibly, with no recourse. Women get custody and then the money too, on a routine basis which is wrong.
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