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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I don't know about everyplace but around here the law is pretty simple.

    Who's name is on the Birth Certificate as Father, who represents themselves as the father in public and legal contracts, and that includes everything from insurance to school permission slips, and who claims the tax deduction.

    IF the biological father can be found, tested and a court judgement obtained then the husband can get off the hook.

    Until then the law is clear and we are a nation of laws and our local courts have to rule based on the law... (your courts may vary... )
    Not where I live---once the court says you are to pay support, you pay support even if you later find the dad because of the "finality of court orders" preventing you from "re-litigating a judicially decided fact". Your only remedy is to sue the real dad(s) for reimbursement of the money you have to pay, but you are on the hook until the end.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Not where I live---once the court says you are to pay support, you pay support even if you later find the dad because of the "finality of court orders" preventing you from "re-litigating a judicially decided fact". Your only remedy is to sue the real dad(s) for reimbursement of the money you have to pay, but you are on the hook until the end.
    Child support orders are re-litigated all the time. How can this be true?
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Child support orders are re-litigated all the time. How can this be true?
    The payment amount is relitigated all the time when financial things change, but who is liable is not--not in my state, not in the state in which I went to law school, and apparently not in Canada either. Once the final order is entered finding you to be the father then you are the father for the purpose of child support until the end "as a matter of public policy" is usually thrown in there somewhere too. You have to fight it all the way up the chain of appeals to keep the order from being finalized if you have doubt. It is my understanding that they are now making the unmarried father sign the birth certificate if his name appears on it for the very reason of forcing people to acknowledge/deny paternity for support. No signature,no daddy listed.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Aside from the fact that we've had this argument before, you do realize that this news story is the courts acting according to my views and not yours, right?
    I was addressing the op and your view that its outrageous he demand a DNA test. I happen to find nothing wrong with what he did and I would do the exact same thing. As for child support and the states involvement, I don't even agree with the concept, so I have nothing to say about that.

    He is not the biological father of three of his four children. The court is demanding, rightfully, that he pay child support for those three anyway because they are still his children.
    Yes, I realize this, but like I told you last time acting in the role of a father is not the same thing as being the father of the kids. The court was wrong and its just that simple.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    In terms of the present issue: If you were led to believe that a child was yours and found out years later than it wasn't, would you not have a lot of initial anger and hurt? And as a human, would you not be likely to say and do things immediately upon discovering that truth that might be hurtful or counterproductive? Likewise, if you're the bio-dad of one of these children and you don't find out until years later, would you not be likely to feel as if something were taken or withheld from you?
    I've been cheated on before; it hurts. Maybe this is something I don't understand because I don't have children of my own yet... but my worst nightmare is having children and then having them taken from me. I can't imagine choosing to turn my back on my children for something that someone else did. The very idea of it nauseates me.

    Then again... I would never be tricked into raising a child that wasn't my own-- biologically-- because I would never raise a child on the sole basis that it's got my DNA. If I ever become a father, it will be because I want to have children, and hopefully because I love their mother. The latter might change, especially if she's been cheating on me for years, but the former never will and a paternity test cannot break the bond that exists between a father and his children.

    As for your other question... no, I can't say that I would feel like I'd been cheated or stolen from. I want children, and I want a family, but I don't believe anyone is entitled to give these things to me. If I'm not married to the mother, then there's a good reason why I didn't marry her and at least some kind of reason why she didn't tell me about the child. I might wonder about what might have been, but the child's rightful place is with its family, not with strangers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I realize this, but like I told you last time acting in the role of a father is not the same thing as being the father of the kids. The court was wrong and its just that simple.
    Your definition of "father" is morally deficient if you don't consider raising children to be important. The court stood up for the institution of family at the expense of biological idiocy and I, for one, applaud them.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Why do people assume that because he didn't want to pay child support for kids that are not his own that he doesn't love the kids? How is the one automatically the other? It seems to me all he is doing is saying those kids are not my kids and I do not want to financially support them. Perhaps its not the nicest thing to convey, but it doesn't mean he doesn't love them.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Raising kids has all that loving heartfelt crap that goes with it. And then there is carrying on your lineage. If the kids didnt come from his nuttsack they arent his. A court trying to make him pay goes to show you that attorneys are spiders and the common populace are flies. Marriage is a giant conspiracy we force upon kids. Either you will be together with someone forever or you wont.

    Its up to the mom to find the real daddies now. This guy needs to have his resources available in case he tries to actually spread lineage for reals and have it actually count this time. He didnt volunteer to adopt a kid. He thought it was his descendant.

    If he wanted to keep raising the children as his own that would be his choice but shouldn't be forced upon him.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Raising kids has all that loving heartfelt crap that goes with it. And then there is carrying on your lineage. If the kids didnt come from his nuttsack they arent his. A court trying to make him pay goes to show you that attorneys are spiders and the common populace are flies. Marriage is a giant conspiracy we force upon kids. Either you will be together with someone forever or you wont.
    Actually it is more along the lines of: It is better that someone else pay to support the kids than the government pay to support the kids, so sucks to be you, but gotcha.......

    It is a 100% BS situation that turns any idea of principle or fairness on its head, but that is our government at work. If the baby doesn't look at all like all the other babies in your family in some way or the other, get the DNA test before you ever acknowledge the child as yours......

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do people assume that because he didn't want to pay child support for kids that are not his own that he doesn't love the kids? How is the one automatically the other? It seems to me all he is doing is saying those kids are not my kids and I do not want to financially support them. Perhaps its not the nicest thing to convey, but it doesn't mean he doesn't love them.
    You gonna tell me that if your father looked you in the eye and said "You are not my son" that you wouldn't be ****ing heartbroken? You seriously going to tell me that a man who loves his children could do that to them?

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do people assume that because he didn't want to pay child support for kids that are not his own that he doesn't love the kids? How is the one automatically the other? It seems to me all he is doing is saying those kids are not my kids and I do not want to financially support them. Perhaps its not the nicest thing to convey, but it doesn't mean he doesn't love them.
    You gonna tell me that if your father looked you in the eye and said "You are not my son" that you wouldn't be ****ing heartbroken? You seriously going to tell me that a man who loves his children could do that to them?

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