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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Actually, they do. Having never consented to give up their parental rights, they cannot lose them, even if they didn't know they existed. Only a court can grant an involuntary termination of parental rights, but the reasoning is very specific, and non-notification isn't one of them.
    I'm not speaking legally. With rare exceptions like this case, I think the family court system in most of the Western world is bat**** insane.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Says the man who doesn't acknowledge that children have a right to support from their parents in the first place.
    That was actually you...

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    I don't think that a person can legitimately have a right that justifies forcing another person into non-consensual servitude.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Since I define parents as the people who have consented to supporting their children, I absolutely support forcing parents to support their children.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    What seems to be lacking in the discussion today is situational context. The man knew of his wife's affairs well in advance of the divorce and chose to stay with his wife and conceived a child with her, the only child biologically his. Granted, he assumed the first three were also his, but becoming aware of his wife's infidelity, he chose not to seek paternity tests at that time, showing a certain level of love for the children, as well as his wife.

    Fast forward a decade and now the marriage is over - during divorce proceedings, whether it was his idea or his lawyers, the man decides to have paternity tests done on all four children and discovers that three of them are not his and there are multiple other biological fathers. The wife, apparently, doesn't know who the fathers may be or perhaps chooses not to give possible names. Since the husband has accepted "fatherhood" of the children that he didn't biologically create for 16, 14 and 12 years respectively, the court decides that he continues to be financially responsible for their care irrespective of their parental lineage.

    It is not clear from reports whether or not the husband wants to continue to support the children outside of a court order, but it is abundantly clear that he chose to fight such a court order, likely on the advice of his lawyer. In divorce proceedings, people frequently do what their lawyers advise them to do even if they would morally or emotionally wish to do otherwise.

    In my view, this court decision isn't unreasonable considering the family's background. It is more questionable in the Kansas case where the sperm donor father has had no parental involvement for three years and none of the parties wanted him to and contracted that arrangement and now the Kansas state government is seeking support from him because the lesbian parents are seeking social assistance from the state.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Since I define parents as the people who have consented to supporting their children, I absolutely support forcing parents to support their children.
    And I don't because unlike you I actually understand what you said.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It is more questionable in the Kansas case where the sperm donor father has had no parental involvement for three years and none of the parties wanted him to and contracted that arrangement and now the Kansas state government is seeking support from him because the lesbian parents are seeking social assistance from the state.
    That case was just facepalm worthy. The parties agree he is to have no involvement and even have a contract to support them, but for some reason the state forgot they are supposed to respect contracts and not just flat out ignore them. That case just proves once again donating sperm is just stupid. Some people like to say its different if you go through the proper channels, however, that hasn't proven itself to be true. The court can get people to pay child support that use such channels if they feel like doing it.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That case was just facepalm worthy. The parties agree he is to have no involvement and even a contract to support them, but for some reason the state forgot they are supposed to respect contracts and not just flat out ignore them. That case just proves once again donating sperm is just stupid. Some people like to say its different if you go through the proper channels, however, that hasn't proven itself to be true. The court can get people to pay child support that use such channels if they feel like doing it.
    I wonder what would happen if the sperm donor decided he wanted the child since he has to support it and the lesbian couple can't since they are seeking social assistance from the state? I'll bet the "father" would be screwed by the court in that scenario too.

    Fathers have zero rights before the child pops out and all of the responsibilities once it does. There's something seriously wrong with that.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Fathers have zero rights before the child pops out and all of the responsibilities once it does. There's something seriously wrong with that.
    Can't do anything about the former-- giving them rights before the kid's born means giving them control over the mother and that ain't right.

    Where we need to be fixing things is the latter.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Of course the government made that choice and then people like yourself are deciding to use that as their argument. Don't be surprised if I don't respect it.
    You know Henrin, there are all kinds of people in this world of ours, and in the end all we really have are those around us that love us, and are there to comfort us in our time of need. It is a sad state of affairs when a man decides that petty disagreements need extend to those whom have no part in the offenses that we hold grudges over. Each man makes his own choices in life, and to be blunt, what you respect, or don't respect is really in the end of no concern of mine, and neither would break my leg, nor pick my pocket, so I really have nothing to say other than I hope that your life is full. I can only speak to my situation on this earth, and what I do as a man, and I sleep well at night.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You know Henrin, there are all kinds of people in this world of ours, and in the end all we really have are those around us that love us, and are there to comfort us in our time of need. It is a sad state of affairs when a man decides that petty disagreements need extend to those whom have no part in the offenses that we hold grudges over.
    Yes, some people are petty and sometimes they're actually standing for something you don't understand.

    Each man makes his own choices in life, and to be blunt, what you respect, or don't respect is really in the end of no concern of mine, and neither would break my leg, nor pick my pocket, so I really have nothing to say other than I hope that your life is full. I can only speak to my situation on this earth, and what I do as a man, and I sleep well at night.
    You see, telling me that the law is set up where the tax payers have to pick up the tab if guy doesn't is not an argument. Its just falling back on a system set up by the government and telling me I have to live with this because something else exists that the government also put in place. It doesn't defend anything nor it doesn't support anything, but it does do a whole lot of nothing.

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