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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In my mind when someone says they don't want to be forced to pay child support for kids that are not their own they are not saying they don't love the kids. Sure, it means he will lose parental rights, but that doesn't mean he can't be involved in their life in one way or the other.
    Wait a minute....1. That is exactly what they are saying...Support is for the child, not the custodial parent. 2. Losing parental rights, but will still be involved in their lives? Are you kidding here? Look, If I found out that the guy I thought loved me, and was my father, all of the sudden was not, and won't support me, do you really think I'd want to see the guy? pfft, I'd tell him to F off.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Sure - you don't get the emotional and psychological impact. . . that's fine.
    I get it just fine for most of the issue, but not for including someone else in their life.

    What do you mean mean by 'I am not even considering support as the basis of my position' - that's what this whole issues is about: who pays child support? the bio fathers after 12 / 14 / 16 years . . . or the father figure who has been there for 12 / 14 / 16 years and those girls grew up knowing as 'dad - our provider'
    No, the basis of my position is that the biological father must give up his parental rights before someone else can have access to those rights. In this case, a man signed into legal responsibilities under a lie by the mother that both mislead another party and bypassed the rights of the biological father. The contract should obviously be null and void and its both fraud and a right violation. As for support, that is more of a result of a system that I frankly reject.

    To me - the damage is done when the father they HAVE known says 'see-ya - don't care about ya - someone else who doesn't know you at all can provide for you - not me - not my concern suddenly' . . . he shouldn't be allowed to stab the girls in the back like that.
    I don't recall him saying he didn't care for them. Anyway, since they are not his kids they are just people he cares about or not. It's that simple.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bolded is untrue. He is still their dad, simply not their biological father. That difference is very important. His love and respect for his children should not be diminished by the actions of his ex-wife, but the child support is likely required to be paid to her, making it such a bitter pill to swallow.
    Legally I suppose, but I'm obviously not referring to illegitimate legalities there.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    I don't think child support, for children you raised for what..16 years(?) is where you allow legal justice for the way his wife treated him. Caring for chilrden either falls on taxpayers, or the parents, and he's the parent, it's his responsibility regardless (and the ex wifes of course).

    I don't know enough about the law but maybe this guy has a case to be made in some civil action against his ex-wife.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    My son is adopted and I very much agree with what you've said here.
    The bolded part of the sentence makes your situation much different. He was not given any choice in the matter. Perhaps, had he known at the time of their births, he would have adopted them. That choice was taken away from him.

    And we still don't know how much of his parental rights were stripped from him because it was found he is not the father (legally).

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    My son is adopted and I very much agree with what you've said here. I did not give birth to him like I did my daughter and they are no different in my eyes because of it.

    I can understand his bitterness toward his ex-wife - however - he is a truly heartless SOB if after raising these children for most of their lives, states now that they are not "his children".

    Instead of whining about the paternity at THIS POINT - why doesn't he seek sole custody of the children and have his exwife pay child support to him? If I were him, I'd also find out what it would take to adopt them.

    Whatever. People are so stinking selfish and self absorbed any more. It makes me sick to my stomach.

    I feel horrible for these kids ...
    I am assuming that the beef is with the ex-wife and he desires to deprive her, rather than the children, of court mandated financial support. It is unfortunate that child support is awarded to the custodial parent rather than placed into a trust under control of the minor children and/or a court appointed trustee on their behalf. I have seen far too many use the "child support" funds to buy a fancier car, dump the offspring off at their parents house and then enjoy being "free" to spend more time (and money) away from that XXXX's kids.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute....1. That is exactly what they are saying...Support is for the child, not the custodial parent.
    No, it's not. You can still care for a child and not want to be forced to support them. They are separate issues that involve different emotions and rational.

    2. Losing parental rights, but will still be involved in their lives? Are you kidding here? Look, If I found out that the guy I thought loved me, and was my father, all of the sudden was not, and won't support me, do you really think I'd want to see the guy? pfft, I'd tell him to F off.
    That is your choice.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute....1. That is exactly what they are saying...Support is for the child, not the custodial parent.
    Except in many cases it's not. If the mother can't afford to live on her own efforts, where do you think the child support money is going to go?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    2. Losing parental rights, but will still be involved in their lives? Are you kidding here? Look, If I found out that the guy I thought loved me, and was my father, all of the sudden was not, and won't support me, do you really think I'd want to see the guy? pfft, I'd tell him to F off.
    Generally speaking from my limited exposure, the child support part of the divorce comes AFTER child custody and visitation are discussed. Perhaps he lost all parental rights, not being their [legal] father and after hearing that objects to paying with no hopes of even having visitation with the kids again.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I get it just fine for most of the issue, but not for including someone else in their life.



    No, the basis of my position is that the biological father must give up his parental rights before someone else can have access to those rights. In this case, a man signed into legal responsibilities under a lie by the mother that both mislead another party and bypassed the rights of the biological father. The contract should obviously be null and void and its both fraud and a right violation. As for support, that is more of a result of a system that I frankly reject.



    I don't recall him saying he didn't care for them. Anyway, since they are not his kids they are just people he cares about or not. It's that simple.
    The rights of the children trump all others in such cases - it always has and always will.

    And like I said some number of posts ago - the bio fathers should assert their 'rights' if that's what they want and then have the courts decide on that separate issue.

    See - this is where lack of info is a bitch . . . maybe the bio dads never cared and always knew? To many guys who have one-night stands and affairs who then father children out of that they just don't care and walk away - dissolving rights without going through any sort of legal avenue to do so.

    Further - the courts can't force her to tell who they might be if she doesn't want to . . . and so on. She made the decision all those many years ago.

    Women are granted the ultimate say from the beginning because we're hte ones who are pregnant and carry / birth the child. If an estranged or uninvolved biological father wants to be involved in said child's life THEY should pursue it IMMEDIATELY.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The bolded part of the sentence makes your situation much different. He was not given any choice in the matter. Perhaps, had he known at the time of their births, he would have adopted them. That choice was taken away from him.

    And we still don't know how much of his parental rights were stripped from him because it was found he is not the father (legally).
    Here's the thing.... the father MUST have had doubts prior to his divorce, otherwise, why would paternity testing be done at the end of the marriage.

    My argument is this: If the man had any inkling of a doubt, then he should have voiced that concern and had a paternity test preformed long before now. Who raises children from a young age and has hidden doubt, and then 16 years later says, "Oh but no.. I have cared for, provided for and loved these children this long... but NOW... oh no. I hate their mother and I'm sending the message to the children that I couldn't care less about them because I'm not the one who 'created' them"?

    He was given a choice. If he had doubts about the paternity - he had to choice whether or not to persue that avenue. He chose not to.
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