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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    But there's no law to ignore here. You're registering your child, or a child you believe to be yours, with the state. Just as with your car. If you get material facts wrong on the registration the state will withdraw the registration once the error is noticed. It's a little different with the birth certificate info because there are assumptions made that are not verified by the state (or anyone really). They ASK who the father is, and the state does not care what you answer, they are just looking for someone who will take responsibility.

    Now, if that person took responsibility, or it was assigned them in absentia (happens a lot) and it was done fraudulently or with false info, that gives the person listed on the birth cert an out later when the correct info is discovered (provided they didn't know).
    We are arguing complicated legalities here. Laws differ from state to state. Unless a poster is an attorney, they don't know the definitive answer. They have opinions. If a poster is an attorney? They still might not know without some research. And, in any case, an attorney should be answering "in MY state".
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    Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Lot of presumption going on here. There is no reason to presume that he had any idea that these kids weren't biologically his before the marriage began to break down. Demanding he should have paternity tested them earlier is like claiming he should have divorced the woman earlier.

    Biology doesn't determine parenthood, but an informed choice does. This man didn't have that.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Good point. That just means men will have to sign a contract that puts them in a bad situation if its found they are not the father. What a wonderful contract, eh?
    Two points.

    One, once the man signs that contract, he is the father, legally and morally.

    Two, he's more than welcome to have the paternity test performed before he signs it. If he isn't willing to do that because he's afraid of pissing off the mother, then it's his own stupid fault.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Interestingly, that is the same logic used in fraud cases. In this case, the woman is the person that put forward the fraud and the contract in question upholds her fraud.
    and the estranged spouse should have his day in court, at his own time and expense. nothing has deprived him of that opportunity to evidence fraud
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    I do not think he should have to pay anything.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I do not think he should have to pay anything.
    well, that settles it
    what the hell does the judge know
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do most married couples routinely have paternity tests done when they're expecting a baby?
    Now you've done it...put doubt in peoples' minds.....

    Enjoy your sense of humor!

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We are arguing complicated legalities here. Laws differ from state to state. Unless a poster is an attorney, they don't know the definitive answer. They have opinions. If a poster is an attorney? They still might not know without some research. And, in any case, an attorney should be answering "in MY state".
    Agreed, and to further complicate this it's NOT an American case but a Canadian one.

    However, there are some elements of the discussion I can speak upon authoritatively. I did quite a lot of work in PEDS and OB/GYN when I was a nurse in California and Oregon. I know for a fact we did not verfiy any of the info given us by the mother for inclusion on the birth cert. I know for a fact the father section is filled out to be whatever the mother chooses to put there. I know for a fact the father's signature is not required and we only ask for it to make them feel included. I know for a fact it's ONLY to register the child with the state and now, the feds.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Now you've done it...put doubt in peoples' minds.....

    Enjoy your sense of humor!
    I'm just a naive seeker of knowledge - perhaps Americans are all just auditioning for a spot on Jerry Springer or Maury

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm just a naive seeker of knowledge - perhaps Americans are all just auditioning for a spot on Jerry Springer or Maury
    it would seem this fellow had at least THREE occasions for doubt ... and a subsequent test
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