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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would very much like to know the percentage of men that sign a birth certificate not thinking they are the father? I'm guessing right around 99% percent of them thought they were the father and consider it void if its found they are not.
    You're probably right. But ignorance of the law is no excuse, as they say.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Your own link is quite clear. In the 1970's, the test was 80% accurate (and sometimes worse than that) and could not differentiate at all between related fathers. It wasn't until the 1980's that the test was 99.99% accurate. And thus definitive.
    Well, that's almost true. What you are seeing is the exclusion rate. That's how the tests used to work, they didn't verify you as the biological parent, but rather excluded you if you weren't. However, the exclusion only worked in some cases. If they could not exclude you, you got an indeterminate result. So, in a percentage of cases we could absolutely exclude folks from being the biological parent.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're probably right. But ignorance of the law is no excuse, as they say.
    Yes, well, you see if a man doesn't sign the birth certificate the relationship might not last. It's not exactly one of those things you can look at her and say "I think we should have a DNA test done" to back up your assumption that she didn't cheat on you.

    Eitherway, its pretty clear no man should ever sign that fraudulent contract again if the condition of biologically doesn't matter.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, well, you see if a man doesn't sign the birth certificate the relationship might not last.

    Eitherway, its pretty clear no man should ever sign that fraudulent contract again if the condition of biologically doesn't matter.


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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, well, you see if a man doesn't sign the birth certificate the relationship might not last.

    Eitherway, its pretty clear no man should ever sign that fraudulent contract again if the condition of biologically doesn't matter.
    You know, some men want to have children and want to be able to keep their children.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    You know, some men want to have children and want to be able to keep their children.
    Good point. That just means men will have to sign a contract that puts them in a bad situation if its found they are not the father. What a wonderful contract, eh?

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a person should not sign something they believe to be untrue
    where have i heard that before?
    Sure thing. The thing is they believe it is TRUE, but it's not. If its not true, the contract should be void as its based on lies.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're probably right. But ignorance of the law is no excuse, as they say.
    But there's no law to ignore here. You're registering your child, or a child you believe to be yours, with the state. Just as with your car. If you get material facts wrong on the registration the state will withdraw the registration once the error is noticed. It's a little different with the birth certificate info because there are assumptions made that are not verified by the state (or anyone really). They ASK who the father is, and the state does not care what you answer, they are just looking for someone who will take responsibility.

    Now, if that person took responsibility, or it was assigned them in absentia (happens a lot) and it was done fraudulently or with false info, that gives the person listed on the birth cert an out later when the correct info is discovered (provided they didn't know).

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sure thing. The thing is they believe it is TRUE, but it's not. If its not true, the contract should be void as its based on lies.
    he signed it as a valid document
    the signatory's failure to perform due diligence prior to executing said document falls on him
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he signed it as a valid document
    the signatory's failure to perform due diligence prior to executing said document falls on him
    Interestingly, that is the same logic used in fraud cases. In this case, the woman is the person that put forward the fraud and the contract in question upholds her fraud.

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