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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Now see, again, you're assuming that the man is walking away from the children - I don't know that to be true - all we know is that he is challenging a court ordering him to pay his ex-wife child support for children who he just now found out are not biologically his. He may very well be a great dad and be prepared to provide them with everything they need, directly, without the court and his ex-wife as middlemen.
    And he has every right to fight for that. It's obvious that courts are really biased against men when it comes to child support. But the DNA of the children isn't relevant after he spent their entire lives raising them and has legal responsibility.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Well, at least we've gotten to the root of it. It only matters to you what is on paper, and not what actually happened. You have no idea the kind of **** storm you would get as a guy by asking for a paternity test with your wife.
    Wrong. It matters to me what responsibilities a person accepts. It just happens to be that a contract is a good way to make that salient.

    What actually happened is that he raised these children from birth. He already has a contract, as far as I'm concerned, and the legal contract is just more proof of that.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just an aside. If a man signs the birth certificate as the father, he becomes the legal father. UNLESS the legal father comes forward, goes to court and is awarded a paternity test. Then all bets are off. At least I THINK that's the case.
    That's a state law determination and will vary from state to state. But this is Canada. Whole different kettle of fish. Here in Oregon and in California at least, a birth certificate is not a contract but a registration with the state. Like when you register your vehicle only the states typically require you provide more proof where it comes to registering your car.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, it isn't required, but IF HE SIGNS IT, it is his child regardless of the child's DNA.

    If he did not sign it, this case would be over.

    And yes, legally, it is a contract.
    So basically I can inflict fraud on people as long as I get them to sign a contract saying they agree to the fraud.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So he's the real father unless the real father comes along? Sounds more like an anti-man conspiracy brought about by attorneys and women.
    The courts have held forever that a child born in a marriage is legally the husband's child. It's nothing new. Up until 1985? There was absolutely no way to prove otherwise. Perhaps one might argue that laws haven't caught up, but that's the fact.

    A man cannot disenfranchise a biological father of his paternity rights by signing the birth certificate as the father -- whether he's been cuckolded or not. That is most assuredly the way it should be.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically I can inflict fraud on people as long as I get them to sign a contract saying they agree to the fraud.
    By nature, a fraud is not doing what you say or what the client expects you to do. So the contract is null, because it would inevitable contain a falsehood.

    Signing a birth certificate does not state that you must be the biological parent. There is no fraud. Only his (unfortunately incorrect) assumptions.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Wrong. It matters to me what responsibilities a person accepts. It just happens to be that a contract is a good way to make that salient.

    What actually happened is that he raised these children from birth. He already has a contract, as far as I'm concerned, and the legal contract is just more proof of that.
    You don't seem to understand the contract is fraudulent making it null and void.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, it doesn't. As Maggie said above, even if the bio father comes forward and fights for custody, he is not guaranteed to win.

    And that is not true if you signed the birth certificate.
    That's going to vary from state to state, but in every state I know of the bio father is guaranteed a win if they have not relinquished their parental rights (THAT is typically what they have to goto court to prove). And signing the birth cert means nothing. Again, you're just registering the child with the state.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Wrong. It matters to me what responsibilities a person accepts. It just happens to be that a contract is a good way to make that salient.

    What actually happened is that he raised these children from birth. He already has a contract, as far as I'm concerned, and the legal contract is just more proof of that.
    One of the biggest problems with your logic is that men aren't even remotely treated on the same level as women in custody suits. Even if the mother were a crackwhore and the man had a great job and was actively fighting to keep the kids, it would still be near impossible for him to get custody. In such a decision they would even factor in that she's the biological parent and he isn't. He's not supporting his kids by paying her money, he's simply paying her money. She can do absolutely whatever she wants with that money. How many non-biological mothers do you know that are paying biological fathers child support? Or even any women period paying child support?

    It seems more important to you that we simply assign a father, no matter who it is. Why is the state not even remotely interested in finding the real fathers?
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