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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, it isn't. A person who raises a child is a parent.

    He can become the father for all practical purposes if he raises the child, and he can become the legal father if he goes through some legal hoops. But in the this case, the man in question is both the practical and the legal father.
    Yes, for all practical purposes, but he isn't.


    Because, at this point, there are 4 children between the ages of 9 and driving age who all think of him as their father, and who can be substantially harmed by his sudden absence.
    Yes, and only one is his. I'm not entirely sure why it matters if the kids are harmed though. That seems to be a different issue.

    Because he is legally the father.
    Yes, and I'm saying that should be changed since he clearly is not the father of the kids as he thought when that happened. If the state wants men to support children that are not theirs then clearly they need to consider DNA tests on delivery. Of course, the man could always ask for that, but haha, that isn't going to go so well.

    Because he already MADE a decision to be the father, and once you have made that decision, you can't simply walk away from it.
    Yes, on false pretenses and I happen to disagree with the last bit.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Because they're not his children.
    biologically, they are not. but i believe we can all agree that to be a legal father one does not always have to provide the sperm
    he acted in the capacity of father for at least 16 years, based on the age of the oldest girl/daughter

    I find it clinically insane that you want to take money from a victim to give to a whore because she couldn't keep it in her pants. Not only are there zero consequences for her actions, you want to incentivize her by giving her money for it.
    i would want to know your qualifications to find anyone clinically 'insane' before i accepted your pronouncement
    the 'father' will be compelled to incur the costs to raise the three children whose DNA he does not share because he has been doing this in the role of the father for (presumably) at least 16 years
    yes, the mother is certainly a whore. one whom he lived and slept with such that the final child was of his own making
    if she were receiving alimony - which there is no indication is happening - then that would appear to constitute incentivizing her disloyalty. but the money the father will have to pay is 'child support'. that money is intended to be for the welfare of the children of the marriage. his legal children
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You'd be wrong - the donor and the lesbian couple have a legal contract between the two parties that removes the donor from any legal or financial responsibility for the child - both the donor and the lesbian couple wish to honor that contract but the state is challenging it because the lesbian couple now appear to need state social assistance.
    Nope. They may have had a contract made up and signed, but without the state required process, much of that contract is invalidated by law.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    biologically, they are not. but i believe we can all agree that to be a legal father one does not always have to provide the sperm
    he acted in the capacity of father for at least 16 years, based on the age of the oldest girl/daughter


    i would want to know your qualifications to find anyone clinically 'insane' before i accepted your pronouncement
    the 'father' will be compelled to incur the costs to raise the three children whose DNA he does not share because he has been doing this in the role of the father for (presumably) at least 16 years
    yes, the mother is certainly a whore. one whom he lived and slept with such that the final child was of his own making
    if she were receiving alimony - which there is no indication is happening - then that would appear to constitute incentivizing her disloyalty. but the money the father will have to pay is 'child support'. that money is intended to be for the welfare of the children of the marriage. his legal children
    You're saying that the biological factor of whether he's actually the father or not is completely irrelevant. By that logic, no man should ever be responsible for any kids that he does not willingly sign a piece of paper for. **** all of the women who want child support from a man who doesn't want to be a father, right? Where are the actual biological fathers of these kids, and why is that irrelevant?

    Secondly, there is absolutely zero guarantee that the kids will see a cent of that money. I know for a lot of women that's just beer money.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just an aside. If a man signs the birth certificate as the father, he becomes the legal father. UNLESS the legal father comes forward, goes to court and is awarded a paternity test. Then all bets are off. At least I THINK that's the case.
    So he's the real father unless the real father comes along? Sounds more like an anti-man conspiracy brought about by attorneys and women.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, but that doesn't negate that it's wrong to walk away from a child you raised from birth and took responsibility for after 10-15 years.
    Now see, again, you're assuming that the man is walking away from the children - I don't know that to be true - all we know is that he is challenging a court ordering him to pay his ex-wife child support for children who he just now found out are not biologically his. He may very well be a great dad and be prepared to provide them with everything they need, directly, without the court and his ex-wife as middlemen.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So by your logic, taking initial responsibility for a child at the hospital is the absolute only thing that matters, right? If biology isn't a factor, we shouldn't be able to make any man take responsibility for his offspring, seeing as how we can't force him to sign anything, right? Men should be able to impregnate as many women as they want without responsibility, as long as they don't sign paperwork.
    Yes, you are correct.

    Men are not the sole sentient entity. They can't "go around impregnating women." That's a decision the woman decides to allow. It may happen by accident, but all the power of creating a child or not is still in her hands even at that point.

    So, yes, the man should be permitted to walk away AT THE OUTSET. Many men will stay, some will leave, but ultimately, it is not necessary a bad thing if they leave -- unwilling parents don't tend to be very good parents, and if the decision is made during pregnancy the woman still has time to plan.

    But not after 10 years of raising that child and being legally responsible for them.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, you are correct.

    Men are not the sole sentient entity. They can't "go around impregnating women." That's a decision the woman decides to allow. It may happen by accident, but all the power of creating a child or not is still in her hands even at that point.

    So, yes, the man should be permitted to walk away AT THE OUTSET. Many men will stay, some will leave, but ultimately, it is not necessary a bad thing if they leave -- unwilling parents don't tend to be very good parents, and if the decision is made during pregnancy the woman still has time to plan.

    But not after 10 years of raising that child and being legally responsible for them.
    Well, at least we've gotten to the root of it. It only matters to you what is on paper, and not what actually happened. You have no idea the kind of **** storm you would get as a guy by asking for a paternity test with your wife.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    All of that is wrong. Biology does indeed determine legal parentage. The assumption that they were his at birth was a false one. And as for that last, if you marry someone with children from another and then divorce them, you have zero responsibility for them after the divorce (legally as long as you didn't adopt them in the meantime).
    No, it doesn't. As Maggie said above, even if the bio father comes forward and fights for custody, he is not guaranteed to win.

    And that is not true if you signed the birth certificate.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope. They may have had a contract made up and signed, but without the state required process, much of that contract is invalidated by law.
    That's what the court will determine.

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