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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    It absolutely does matter. If he acted as the parent then he is legally liable. Courts and the law always put the welfare of the children ahead of the adults. Men who obviously weren't the child's parent but allowed the woman and child to live with for some time have been liable for child support.
    Yes, well, I'm not for however harsh that might sound. Just because you live with a woman for X amount of time shouldn't mean anything towards financial support of children you didn't help create. If I break up with a woman and she has kids from some prior relationship that shouldn't effect me just because I lived with this woman for a year, a decade, or however long it might of been. If I had any responsibly towards those kids it just responsibly I decided to have when with her, but when that is gone, so is the responsibility, since its not my kids.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is the salient excerpt from that article:
    there is a thread on this situation in the forum
    every unmarried father obligated to pay child support for the child resulting from their sperm would insist they were merely non-medically assisted sperm donors and therefor not obligated to incur child support had this case been decided in the opposite direction
    I appreciate what you're saying, but the argument here by some has been that the person who has been acting as the parent is the one legally responsible for the child irrespective of where the sperm came from - I was simply trying to point out that courts don't necessarily agree.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So to you, it is absolutely irrelevant whether he's the biological father or not? The only thing that matters is that he married a whore?
    It is irrelevant to me whether or not he is the bio father. It is relevant to me that he raised these children for many years, and is legally the father.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Pretty much, yeah. He should have had the option to refuse the children when they were born... but even if he had been given the option, it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have exercised it at the time.

    What does the fact that he married a whore have to do with the fact that years later, he's turning his back on his own children?
    Because they're not his children.

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    It is irrelevant to me whether or not he is the bio father. It is relevant to me that he raised these children for many years, and is legally the father.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Pretty much, yeah. He should have had the option to refuse the children when they were born... but even if he had been given the option, it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have exercised it at the time.

    What does the fact that he married a whore have to do with the fact that years later, he's turning his back on his own children?
    I find it clinically insane that you want to take money from a victim to give to a whore because she couldn't keep it in her pants. Not only are there zero consequences for her actions, you want to incentivize her by giving her money for it.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is the salient excerpt from that article:

    The state says that because he did not work through a clinic or doctor, as state law requires, he can be held responsible ...
    there is a thread on this situation in the forum
    every unmarried father obligated to pay child support for the child resulting from their sperm would insist they were merely non-medically assisted sperm donors and therefor not obligated to incur child support had this case been decided in the opposite direction
    There we go. I'd be willing to bet that the proper clinic or doctor as the state law requires has the doner sign a whole bunch of parental right release paperwork that is missing in this case - leaving the donor legally on the hook.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Don't know where you were born, but a signature on a birth certificate of both parents is not a requirement in every state (or any I'm aware of). The father box, that's filled out by the nurse in charge and they ASK whomever is there for the info.

    But even if he did sign, that is invalidated by the fact that it is not true. It's not a contract.
    No, it isn't required, but IF HE SIGNS IT, it is his child regardless of the child's DNA.

    If he did not sign it, this case would be over.

    And yes, legally, it is a contract.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I find it clinically insane that you want to take money from a victim to give to a whore because she couldn't keep it in her pants. Not only are there zero consequences for her actions, you want to incentivize her by giving her money for it.
    It has nothing to do with her fidelity. It has to do with the best interests of the children.

    I'm not incentivising anything. Any man who doubts paternity should feel empowered to get a test done and walk away if he doesn't want to parent non-biological children. But not after you've been raising children halfway to adulthood. THAT is clinically insane.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Pretty much, yeah. He should have had the option to refuse the children when they were born... but even if he had been given the option, it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have exercised it at the time.

    What does the fact that he married a whore have to do with the fact that years later, he's turning his back on his own children?
    Your first statement is correct, but we don't know that your second statement is. The fact that he is challenging court ordered child support only means that he objects to providing money "through his ex-wife" to children he didn't biologically father. As I said before, he may very well still want to support the children directly without the ex-wife and the court as middlemen.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It is irrelevant to me whether or not he is the bio father. It is relevant to me that he raised these children for many years, and is legally the father.
    We keep coming back to that main bone of contention - he is NOT legally the father. Not anymore. He's not married to the mother, doesn't have custody, isn't the biological or legal father (no adoption) and has zero parental rights under the law (US law, Canada may be different).

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It has nothing to do with her fidelity. It has to do with the best interests of the children.

    I'm not incentivising anything. Any man who doubts paternity should feel empowered to get a test done and walk away if he doesn't want to parent non-biological children. But not after you've been raising children halfway to adulthood. THAT is clinically insane.
    So by your logic, taking initial responsibility for a child at the hospital is the absolute only thing that matters, right? If biology isn't a factor, we shouldn't be able to make any man take responsibility for his offspring, seeing as how we can't force him to sign anything, right? Men should be able to impregnate as many women as they want without responsibility, as long as they don't sign paperwork.
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