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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It makes all the difference in the world. That's why "bio father" is a common term and "adoptive father" isn't. We usually just call the latter "father."
    No, the bio father can take up the role of fatherhood, but some random boyfriend later on can not just become the father by some completely socially created event as living together.

    This isn't much different than the question I posed. Yes, he didn't walk into it knowingly, and the woman is obviously a pretty crappy person for not saying anything, but if he had doubt that should have been brought up right away, not a decade later.
    Perhaps he shouldn't have waited, but why should he be punished for that?

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The lesbian couple did not bring the case - the state did - the lesbian couple actually opposes the state going after the sperm donor for support.
    Huh, must have been thinking of some other case. There have been a couple revolving around sperm donors lately.

    Well, again, I would hardly call Kansas the beacon of Western thought.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I don't know, but if he didn't, this case would already be over. And how would she keep it secret for all these years if she wouldn't let him sign?

    But if HE signs it (and it must be his signature -- the woman can't write the name in), he is legally responsible.



    No, you don't, unless you took some kind of other legal action to accept parentage.

    He is the legal parent if he signed his name. It's that simple.
    Don't know where you were born, but a signature on a birth certificate of both parents is not a requirement in every state (or any I'm aware of). The father box, that's filled out by the nurse in charge and they ASK whomever is there for the info.

    But even if he did sign, that is invalidated by the fact that it is not true. It's not a contract.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Women are far better actors than men and could easily fool a jury more so than a seasoned jurist. That said, some decisions of family court are beyond what normal people consider reasonable.

    Perhaps, but I think most who've gone through the cookie cutter system that is family court, we (I'd) much prefer to take my chances with a jury of common sense citizens.


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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    As a pro-choice woman, I think so, although I would prefer that take place before birth in order to avoid early bonding maladjustment of the child, and also so the woman can augment her decisions to fit a changing scenario.
    That would be impossible to do in this case since even the mother didn't know her husband wasn't the father of the three other children until the father had the paternity tests done during the divorce proceedings.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    It absolutely does matter. If he acted as the parent then he is legally liable. Courts and the law always put the welfare of the children ahead of the adults. Men who obviously weren't the child's parent but allowed the woman and child to live with for some time have been liable for child support.
    Sorry, that's just not true, at least here in the US. Canada, maybe so.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, caring for a child as a father is taking the role of father while being the father of the child is a biological question. The bio father can take up the role of fatherhood, but some random boyfriend later on can not just become the father by some completely socially created event as living together.
    No, it isn't. A person who raises a child is a parent.

    He can become the father for all practical purposes if he raises the child, and he can become the legal father if he goes through some legal hoops. But in the this case, the man in question is both the practical and the legal father.

    Perhaps he shouldn't have waited, but why should he be punished for that?
    Because, at this point, there are 4 children between the ages of 9 and driving age who all think of him as their father, and who can be substantially harmed by his sudden absence.

    Because he is legally the father.

    Because he already MADE a decision to be the father, and once you have made that decision, you can't simply walk away from it.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So to you, it is absolutely irrelevant whether he's the biological father or not? The only thing that matters is that he married a whore?
    Pretty much, yeah. He should have had the option to refuse the children when they were born... but even if he had been given the option, it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have exercised it at the time.

    What does the fact that he married a whore have to do with the fact that years later, he's turning his back on his own children?

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    First of all, a court can direct the DA to open a case. They do it all the time with deadbeat dads, which is what the court should have done here for the biological fathers of the three.

    We're not sure of how or why this court ruled as it did. Could be Canadian law, but I doubt it, otherwise we'd be hearing about a lot of Canadian ex-boyfriends paying for children that weren't theirs by biology or adoption.
    Ah - well apparently they had the option (I'm assuming it's the same in Canada - seems like it's pretty standard, then) and they decided that was not in the best interest of the children.

    Because that's what it's about in the end - isn't it?

    Explains it all, then . . . why - just exactly HOW - is conjuring up 3 fathers from their mother's unknown past a benefit to the kids, here? Unless they WANT it - it shouldn't be forced on them. . . all over finacial 'obligations' ? Well are you also supporting the now divorced man to be able to sue all 3 for his 'investment' in said children?
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That would be impossible to do in this case since even the mother didn't know her husband wasn't the father of the three other children until the father had the paternity tests done during the divorce proceedings.
    That's why I said "prefer."

    Although, in such a case, I think the man should make his intention to paternity test clear during the pregnancy.

    If he does not do this, then it is akin to a woman who just had a baby asking for an abortion. You should have done that a long time ago.

    I am as flagrantly pro-choice as it's possible to get, but some decisions have a time limit simply because they exist within a window. This is one such case. You can't miss the window by a decade and then ask for a do-over.

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