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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    At exactly what month is the cutoff where you become permanently financially liable for the children of someone you were with?

    1 month? 6 months? 6 years?
    Perhaps we need a parental abortion law where a father can abort his fatherhood of a non-biological child within 6 months of finding out. Women couldn't possibly oppose such a "pro-choice" option, could they?

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    At exactly what month is the cutoff where you become permanently financially liable for the children of someone you were with?

    1 month? 6 months? 6 years?
    The moment where you allow the child to have your last name.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We don't know that.

    I'm not sure about that (again legally). At the time of birth, the mother can have any name put in that box.
    I don't know, but if he didn't, this case would already be over. And how would she keep it secret for all these years if she wouldn't let him sign?

    But if HE signs it (and it must be his signature -- the woman can't write the name in), he is legally responsible.

    If I live with my girlfriend and her kids in a state that doesn't have common law marriage and we split up, do I have parental rights (legally)? Regardless, he may once have been a parent to these children (legally), but no longer. He has no parental rights any longer (with the three).
    No, you don't, unless you took some kind of other legal action to accept parentage.

    He is the legal parent if he signed his name. It's that simple.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If the biological fathers want to contest parentage they can proceed legally. The courts cannot instigate a case AGAINST them - which would begin with a case against the mother to get her to confess who they were (if she even knows)

    That's not on trial, here - biological 'obligations' were not taken to court . . . they either ruled he supported his children that he's been a father to all these years - or he didn't.

    You're looking into something entirely different - an entirely different set of laws and circumstances govern those other things and the court cannot instigate their own case.
    First of all, a court can direct the DA to open a case. They do it all the time with deadbeat dads, which is what the court should have done here for the biological fathers of the three.

    We're not sure of how or why this court ruled as it did. Could be Canadian law, but I doubt it, otherwise we'd be hearing about a lot of Canadian ex-boyfriends paying for children that weren't theirs by biology or adoption.

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    Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't see the problem here.

    If the guy isn't the father of the kids, he just isn't the father of the kids. Acting in the role of a father doesn't change that.
    It absolutely does matter. If he acted as the parent then he is legally liable. Courts and the law always put the welfare of the children ahead of the adults. Men who obviously weren't the child's parent but allowed the woman and child to live with for some time have been liable for child support.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps we need a parental abortion law where a father can abort his fatherhood of a non-biological child within 6 months of finding out. Women couldn't possibly oppose such a "pro-choice" option, could they?
    As a pro-choice woman, I think so, although I would prefer that take place before birth in order to avoid early bonding maladjustment of the child, and also so the woman can augment her decisions to fit a changing scenario.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And again, I'll point out the case currently in the courts in Kansas, where a sperm donor friend of a lesbian couple is the father of the couple's 3 year old daughter, in sperm only, but the state is claiming he has responsibility for the financial needs of the daughter now that the lesbian couple is seeking social assistance from the state.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us...port.html?_r=0

    Seems to me that after 50 years of demands for equal rights for women, courts have determined that they are incapable of caring for their own offspring and require the help and financial support of a man whether that man is the father of their children or not.
    here is the salient excerpt from that article:
    The state says that because he did not work through a clinic or doctor, as state law requires, he can be held responsible ...
    there is a thread on this situation in the forum
    every unmarried father obligated to pay child support for the child resulting from their sperm would insist they were merely non-medically assisted sperm donors and therefor not obligated to incur child support had this case been decided in the opposite direction
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'd agree with you that a sperm donor should not be responsible for child support.

    Look at it the other way though, if the lesbians split up, would one be liable for child support? Even though she (obviously) is not the biological father?
    According to you, yes, both would be, because the "father" figure in the lesbian couple has been a father to the child for all her 3 years of life and is named on the birth certificate. You can't claim that a lesbian or gay couple is the equivalent of a straight couple when it comes to raising children and then fall back on gender stereotypes when the going gets tough.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The reason it's in court is because it is not the done thing; the lesbian couple brought the case.

    And I fully believe they should lose.

    Kansas is hardly on the pulse of the Western world, so I don't really think that statement stands.
    The lesbian couple did not bring the case - the state did - the lesbian couple actually opposes the state going after the sperm donor for support.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    The moment where you allow the child to have your last name.
    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Preferably, before birth.
    So to you, it is absolutely irrelevant whether he's the biological father or not? The only thing that matters is that he married a whore?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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