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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it makes no difference at all when thinking about the question. Taking up the role of fatherhood is not the same as actually being the father of a child. As for your question, no, I don't.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And once again, he is NOT their father. Not legally, biologically or adoptive. I've seen it happen first hand, he's not entitled to custody unless the biologicals sign off or have their parental rights terminated.
    He was legally their father if he was listed on the Birth Certificate as such. He is their father in every sense except for sperm.


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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, he's NOT the parent now is he? Not legally. So he shouldn't have to (again legally) continue with the financial support. And he might not have had concerns over paternity until they were embroiled in the divorce. This wouldn't be the first time some party was surprised in a divorce.

    As to that last, legally speaking he is not the "only father they have", he's not even one of the fathers they have. He's nothing (legally) but the guy who has been mandated to pay.
    Did he sign the birth certificate?

    If he did, he is the legal parent.

    If he raised these kids for more than a decade, and he isn't a parent?

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    At exactly what month is the cutoff where you become permanently financially liable for the children of someone you were with?

    1 month? 6 months? 6 years?
    If you were legally the father, which he was, there is no cutoff. If you are not legally the father, none at all.


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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    At exactly what month is the cutoff where you become permanently financially liable for the children of someone you were with?

    1 month? 6 months? 6 years?
    Preferably, before birth.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, I'm not. The obligation I've been taking about is the LEGAL obligation of the biological parents and you know it. Not to mention it's you who made the offensive suggestion in the first place.
    If the biological fathers want to contest parentage they can proceed legally. The courts cannot instigate a case AGAINST them - which would begin with a case against the mother to get her to confess who they were (if she even knows)

    That's not on trial, here - biological 'obligations' were not taken to court . . . they either ruled he supported his children that he's been a father to all these years - or he didn't.

    You're looking into something entirely different - an entirely different set of laws and circumstances govern those other things and the court cannot instigate their own case.
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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Do you think bio parents should pay all expenses of the adoptive parents they give their child to?

    If not, then yes, it does make a difference.

    Combining gametes does not make someone a parent. It just makes them someone who had with sex without birth control.
    And again, I'll point out the case currently in the courts in Kansas, where a sperm donor friend of a lesbian couple is the father of the couple's 3 year old daughter, in sperm only, but the state is claiming he has responsibility for the financial needs of the daughter now that the lesbian couple is seeking social assistance from the state.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us...port.html?_r=0

    Seems to me that after 50 years of demands for equal rights for women, courts have determined that they are incapable of caring for their own offspring and require the help and financial support of a man whether that man is the father of their children or not.

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Did he sign the birth certificate?
    We don't know that.

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    If he did, he is the legal parent.
    I'm not sure about that (again legally). At the time of birth, the mother can have any name put in that box.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    If he raised these kids for more than a decade, and he isn't a parent?
    If I live with my girlfriend and her kids in a state that doesn't have common law marriage and we split up, do I have parental rights (legally)? Regardless, he may once have been a parent to these children (legally), but no longer. He has no parental rights any longer (with the three).

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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And again, I'll point out the case currently in the courts in Kansas, where a sperm donor friend of a lesbian couple is the father of the couple's 3 year old daughter, in sperm only, but the state is claiming he has responsibility for the financial needs of the daughter now that the lesbian couple is seeking social assistance from the state.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us...port.html?_r=0

    I'd agree with you that a sperm donor should not be responsible for child support.

    Look at it the other way though, if the lesbians split up, would one be liable for child support? Even though she (obviously) is not the biological father?


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    Re: Dad must pay child support for 3 kids that aren't his: Court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And again, I'll point out the case currently in the courts in Kansas, where a sperm donor friend of a lesbian couple is the father of the couple's 3 year old daughter, in sperm only, but the state is claiming he has responsibility for the financial needs of the daughter now that the lesbian couple is seeking social assistance from the state.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us...port.html?_r=0

    Seems to me that after 50 years of demands for equal rights for women, courts have determined that they are incapable of caring for their own offspring and require the help and financial support of a man whether that man is the father of their children or not.
    The reason it's in court is because it is not the done thing; the lesbian couple brought the case.

    And I fully believe they should lose.

    Kansas is hardly on the pulse of the Western world, so I don't really think that statement stands.

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