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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There's plenty of tree-trimming around here. No tree-huggers. Around here, people refer to trees as "weeds"
    I know that we have lots of issues with certain cities and towns here in Massachusetts.

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    And it the generator is one of those portable dealies and not connected to the electrical system, so it poses no danger to the crews. We just run extension cords
    That's fine so long as the cords are connected to the individual appliances and not to the electrical panel inside the house. You'd be shocked and amazed at some of the things our field crews find in terms of how people have their generators wired.

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    Yes, I willingly put up with the inconvenience for the benefits of living in a remote area. But thanks for the info. I'm sure everyone appreciates it
    You're welcome. Not only don't most people understand the isuses, many of them are not very open to hearing why it is their power goes out more often than those people who live in the middle of the big city.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I know that we have lots of issues with certain cities and towns here in Massachusetts.



    That's fine so long as the cords are connected to the individual appliances and not to the electrical panel inside the house. You'd be shocked and amazed at some of the things our field crews find in terms of how people have their generators wired.



    You're welcome. Not only don't most people understand the isuses, many of them are not very open to hearing why it is their power goes out more often than those people who live in the middle of the big city.
    Yes, the appliances are connected directly to the generator. The guy with the generator is an electrical engineer. I assume he knows what he's doing

    And I can only imagine the stupid things some people do.

    Too many people have gotten complacent about the basic necessities of modern living. They just take them for granted.
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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Too many people have gotten complacent about the basic necessities of modern living. They just take them for granted.
    Complacent and overly-needy. The lights go out for an hour and they're threatening to sue us into non-existance. The ones I love are those who constantly demand that everything be moved underground.... Until they hear what it would do to their rates for us to actually accomplish it.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    NOTE: For complete and total honesty.... I work for National Grid and have for more than a decade. The information you're about to read is from an insider..... as he sits in our Providence, RI office working to help restore the 70,000+ Rhode Island customers who are still without power.



    That's one of the downsides of electric heat, which I have at my condo as well. You're actually pretty lucky to have gotten it back so quickly.



    That REALLY surprised me. I know we pulled the vast majority of our crews off the road by about 9:30 on Friday night due to the conditions. I have no idea what your specific problem was, but I'm pretty surprised that you got it back that quickly.



    Talk to your local government about allowing for more tree trimming. Most companies (including NGRID) do as much as we're allowed by the town/city. Unfortunately there are a lot of tree huggers on these boards that often will not let us do as much trimming as we'd like to.



    Chris, I would suggest you go and read..... http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-to...r-outages.html which I posted a while back and bumped the other day.

    Trust me, NGRID wants your power back on ASAP, for two reasons:

    a) If your meter isn't turning, they're not making money.
    b) If you're out of power, they're probably still paying me (and 17,000+ others) a premium to try and get it back on.

    Three days after Hurricane Sandy. Not bad. Many others were without power for almost a week.



    You're a low priority because there aren't many customers on your street. If I have the option to send a crew to one of two locations:

    1. In an hour, they can fix the problem and get 150 customers back on. OR
    2. In an hour, they can fix the problem and get 5 customers back on.

    Where do you think we're going to send the crew? BTW - That's not just NGRID, that's every electric company in the country.

    Please tell me that generator was installed by a licensed electrician and has the proper disconnects. If not, you're putting the workers coming to fix your power in extreme danger.



    We tackle the largest outages first. That's just common sense, and in some ways mandated by both the State and the Feds. I hope you checked out the thread I linked above.



    The further your home is from the substation that serves you, the more likely you are to have extended outages. There are a lot of advantages to living in the suburbs and further out..... Guaranteed 24/7 electric service is NOT on that list.



    It's not that you're the last or least priority. It's just that there are other priorities that need to take precedence; and we don't always set some of those Priorities. We'd love to be able to keep everyone's power on 24/7/365. We truly would. It's just not a realistic idea. When we have the massive damage that many of these storms cause, there is significant physical work that needs to be done to get the power back on. Poles to replace. Wires to re-string. Transformers and services to re-hang. That takes time.
    I understand that it has to be prioritized. You can't be everywhere at once.

    Yes! I was pleasantly surprised by how fast I got my electricity back on! Bravo to you guys!!! I was thrilled because I was expecting to be without power all weekend and freezing my buns off!

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    after a power outage late last year, i will say that this is the last house i will ever live in that doesn't have a fireplace.
    Lol! I was trying to think of ways I could maybe start a fire without burning down my house. Of course, I decided that probably wasn't a very good idea.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Did you lose power, and if so for how long? Just out of curiosity. I lost electricity last night at around 9 or 10 p.m. and got it back today at around 2 p.m.
    Nah, didn't lose power. I'm on a good power grid, we almost never lose power.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Complacent and overly-needy. The lights go out for an hour and they're threatening to sue us into non-existance. The ones I love are those who constantly demand that everything be moved underground.... Until they hear what it would do to their rates for us to actually accomplish it.
    But once done....my, what reliability.

    Suing over lost power? Dumb...

    Complaigning about it? Human nature...
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But once done....my, what reliability.
    Let's look at that.....

    Right now your average american pays about $0.16 per KwH. To even consider the move to all underground facilities, that rate would likely have to become something around $1.60 per KwH. For those mathematically challenged, take your last electric bill and add another zero to the end of it. Your $80 bill will become $800. It would likely take close to 20 years to complete the work as well.

    In terms of the reliabililty there are plusses and minuses. Yes, there are fewer outages, especially in the first two decades or so, but when there ARE outages they tend to last far longer than in areas where the wires are aboveground.

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    Suing over lost power? Dumb... Complaigning about it? Human nature...
    That's fine. Just realize that whining really makes these people look stupid.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Tigger;1061453868]Let's look at that.....

    Right now your average american pays about $0.16 per KwH. To even consider the move to all underground facilities, that rate would likely have to become something around $1.60 per KwH. For those mathematically challenged, take your last electric bill and add another zero to the end of it. Your $80 bill will become $800. It would likely take close to 20 years to complete the work as well.
    Not when that cost is spread over a period of time. Plenty of places have gone to underground lines, and the residents there didn't have to "add a zero" to their power bill. Will it go up? Yes. But there will be a specific period of time that it goes up. Just like sewer, when they renovate crap there. Long term? It's cheaper, because it eleminates the need to pay for all the hours it take to meticulously trim trees, fix lines, etc. Not saying it's perfect, just saying. I've lived in places that have buried lines.
    In terms of the reliabililty there are plusses and minuses. Yes, there are fewer outages, especially in the first two decades or so, but when there ARE outages they tend to last far longer than in areas where the wires are aboveground.
    I would not agree with this. I know you work in the industry...but I have found that during power outages, the time is around the same. Course, I'm not complagning, I rarely, if ever, lose power, where I live, even with above ground lines.


    That's fine. Just realize that whining really makes these people look stupid.
    [/QUOTE]And it's my belief that the majority of all people are either stupid all the time, or, at the very least, stupid SOME of the time. Me included.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Winter nor'easter sweeping into Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Not when that cost is spread over a period of time. Plenty of places have gone to underground lines, and the residents there didn't have to "add a zero" to their power bill. Will it go up? Yes. But there will be a specific period of time that it goes up. Just like sewer, when they renovate crap there. Long term? It's cheaper, because it eleminates the need to pay for all the hours it take to meticulously trim trees, fix lines, etc. Not saying it's perfect, just saying. I've lived in places that have buried lines.
    Very few places have had overhead systems and changed them completely to underground. Most urban areas now maintain large underground systems, but few have a fully underground system. In the long term the system isn't really that much cheaper. All additional construction becomes considerably more expensive, time consuming, and litigous. It's quite difficult to do preventative maintenance on underground facilities, which means the first sign of a problem is generally when the lights go off. In an overhead system I can drive down the street and find the problem. With underground I need to get a test van and spend considerable time figuring out what/where the provlem is. Those underground cables also have a lifespan. Generally about 35 years, max. Then you end up having to replace them.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I would not agree with this. I know you work in the industry...but I have found that during power outages, the time is around the same. Course, I'm not complagning, I rarely, if ever, lose power, where I live, even with above ground lines.
    Industry-wide, underground issues generally take considerably longer to fix.

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