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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    WHAAA? Without this mandate imposed by Congress, the USPS would be operating with a profit and that is accounting for normal industrial practice on funding employee retirement.
    And many businesses who operate that way have gone out of business due to unfunded liabilities. What person would trust a business to be around to pay them a pension in 50 years? This is why most businesses have moved to a contribution system.

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    U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    WHAAA? Without this mandate imposed by Congress, the USPS would be operating with a profit and that is accounting for normal industrial practice on funding employee retirement.
    Phase out pensions entirely and let the employees fund their own 401Ks if they want to retire, like they should, and this wouldn't be an issue. There should be no such thing as a fully defined, guaranteed pension to any government employee. Yes, including our lovely elected officials.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In most new housing developments, here in Canada, the houses don't get door-to-door delivery of the mail - the post office sets up a bank of mailboxes on corners and you have to go pick up your mail.
    Newer subdivisions here do the same thing. They still call it "home delivery".
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Correct, but the UPS can deliver any package, which includes letters. Their only limitation is on the use of the mailbox to my understanding. They do, directly, compete with USPS.
    Not according to 18 USC § 1696 - Private express for letters and packets

    (a) Whoever establishes any private express for the conveyance of letters or packets, or in any manner causes or provides for the conveyance of the same by regular trips or at stated periods over any post route which is or may be established by law, or from any city, town, or place to any other city, town, or place, between which the mail is regularly carried, shall be fined not more than $500 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
    This section shall not prohibit any person from receiving and delivering to the nearest post office, postal car, or other authorized depository for mail matter any mail matter properly stamped.

    (b) Whoever transmits by private express or other unlawful means, or delivers to any agent thereof, or deposits at any appointed place, for the purpose of being so transmitted any letter or packet, shall be fined under this title.

    (c) This chapter shall not prohibit the conveyance or transmission of letters or packets by private hands without compensation, or by special messenger employed for the particular occasion only. Whenever more than twenty-five such letters or packets are conveyed or transmitted by such special messenger, the requirements of section 601 of title 39, shall be observed as to each piece.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move | Dallas-Fort Worth Business News - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News - The Dallas Morning News

    effective august:
    this has been the deal in canada since 1969
    don't see it being anything but a positive

    now to eliminate subsidizing junk/bulk mail
    IIRC, junk mail has been carrying the post office, for some time now.
    If I were them though, I'd try to encourage people to get P.O. Boxes rather than have home delivery.

    That would be more efficient.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    I miss the ice man who used to deliever ice to our homes every day too. Many were concerned that not everyone could afford an electric refrigerator but people adapted.


    I really feel in the coming years there will not be daily newspaper delivery and postal delivery will be to a post office box or a once weekly mail delivery.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'd prefer it funded solely off of taxes. The only reason the "need" to profit is that people are screaming that they must. You could always just use tax dollars. Does our government "need" to profit? We run quite the deficit. That's why government is not business.
    If it was free, would we have different priorities? Why would you use anything less than overnight delivery?

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Heard this on the 'librul' Ed Schultz show last night:

    Can USPS end Saturday delivery without congressional approval?

    The United States Postal Service has made good on threats to end Saturday letter delivery, but does Congress need to sign off on the move under its constitutional powers?

    That was the one question multiple media outlets were asking on Wednesday, after CBS obtained prepared remarks from Patrick R. Donahoe, postmaster general and CEO of the Postal Service. Donahoe announced the move later on Wednesday.

    Donahoe says the Postal Service will only deliver packages and Priority Mail on Saturdays, which could have a significant impact on consumers who expect letters, and direct mailers who send catalogs and other materials through the mail. Mail will be delivered to post office boxes and post offices currently open on Saturday will remain open. Donahoe is also not asking for congressional approval for the move.

    But how does such a move conflict with Congress’ traditional role with the Postal Service?

    <snip> ... since 1984 Congress has included a provision in its annual appropriation to the USPS stating that ‘6-day delivery and rural delivery of mail shall continue at not less than the 1983 level’,
    now for those 'constitutional originalists' among us - what do you say to the following?

    Article I, Section 8
    The Congress shall have Power ...
    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Heard this on the 'librul' Ed Schultz show last night:



    now for those 'constitutional originalists' among us - what do you say to the following?
    If that rule is only in the annual appropriation, then the USPS would be in the right, because there is no appropriation for the USPS right now.

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