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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a necessary service which must be guaranteed. It's not a business and it doesn't need to profit. The other forms of public utility we have are usually just forms of local monopoly granted by the government to the best donor. A true public utility need not profit as it is subsidized through taxes and thus its future is guaranteed.
    I disagree.

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    A public utility (usually just utility) is an organization that maintains the infrastructure for a public service (often also providing a service using that infrastructure). Public utilities are subject to forms of public control and regulation ranging from local community-based groups to state-wide government monopolies. (Common arguments in favor of regulation include the desire to control market power, facilitate competition, promote investment or system expansion, or stabilize markets. In general, though, regulation occurs when the government believes that the operator, left to his own devices, would behave in a way that is contrary to the community's best interests.)

    If your description is correct, why should we be charged anything to use it? The USPS only receives tax dollars as subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. OTher than that they are on their own. The fact it that they do need to profit, that is the reason they are making cuts.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I disagree.

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    A public utility (usually just utility) is an organization that maintains the infrastructure for a public service (often also providing a service using that infrastructure). Public utilities are subject to forms of public control and regulation ranging from local community-based groups to state-wide government monopolies. (Common arguments in favor of regulation include the desire to control market power, facilitate competition, promote investment or system expansion, or stabilize markets. In general, though, regulation occurs when the government believes that the operator, left to his own devices, would behave in a way that is contrary to the community's best interests.)

    If your description is correct, why should we be charged anything to use it? The USPS only receives tax dollars as subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. OTher than that they are on their own. The fact it that they do need to profit, that is the reason they are making cuts.
    I'd prefer it funded solely off of taxes. The only reason the "need" to profit is that people are screaming that they must. You could always just use tax dollars. Does our government "need" to profit? We run quite the deficit. That's why government is not business.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ummm...UPS is in competition with USPS.
    The USPS has an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail, and it is illegal in the U.S. for anyone, other than the employees and agents of the USPS, to deliver mailpieces to letter boxes marked "U.S. Mail.

    UPS and FedEx currently have to drop off many letters and packages at the USPS, so a mailman can make the delivery.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    The USPS has an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail, and it is illegal in the U.S. for anyone, other than the employees and agents of the USPS, to deliver mailpieces to letter boxes marked "U.S. Mail.

    UPS and FedEx currently have to drop off many letters and packages at the USPS, so a mailman can make the delivery.
    Correct, but the UPS can deliver any package, which includes letters. Their only limitation is on the use of the mailbox to my understanding. They do, directly, compete with USPS.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes it is. It is not doing it profitably, but it is doing it. Note that just ending Saturday delivery is going to save it 2 billion, moving it much closer to the break even point. What do you think UPS would have to charge for similar service to first class mail?
    We don't know that, do we? What we do know is that the post office is operating at a significant deficit and still doesn't raise its rates enough to compensate. I get **** in my mailbox every day that doesn't have to pay 46-cents. It goes directly into the recycling pile. What a waste. Of energy. Of resources. Of money.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    It is the postal employee pension plan that Congress forces the USPS to continue to fund. I was told anecdotally that some new carriers just got a huge paycut--like several dollars an hour pay cut. I have not heard if those with seniority got any cuts though.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We don't know that, do we? What we do know is that the post office is operating at a significant deficit and still doesn't raise its rates enough to compensate. I get **** in my mailbox every day that doesn't have to pay 46-cents. It goes directly into the recycling pile. What a waste. Of energy. Of resources. Of money.
    Yeah, but that crap mail you get pays a different rate that makes up (a little) for the low personal mail rate. Even so, the PS is the dinosaur thrashing at the end of it's life. A whole lot of us still need it, but less and less every year.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Ideally we should have 18 wheelers delivering single pieces of mail to individuals or at least make everyone drive a few miles to a central location where they would pick their stuff up, big oil could use the extra business.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, but that crap mail you get pays a different rate that makes up (a little) for the low personal mail rate. Even so, the PS is the dinosaur thrashing at the end of it's life. A whole lot of us still need it, but less and less every year.
    The crap mail pays less, not more.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes it is. It is not doing it profitably, but it is doing it. Note that just ending Saturday delivery is going to save it 2 billion, moving it much closer to the break even point. What do you think UPS would have to charge for similar service to first class mail?
    Just sent some documents last week via UPS, $10 and some change
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