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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, it's not a business. It shouldn't try to be run like one. It's public utility. It should be run like that.
    My electric company is a public utility. It runs at a profit. My gas supplier is a public utility. Same thing. Difference? One is run by businessmen. The other is run by politicians.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My electric company is a public utility. It runs at a profit. My gas supplier is a public utility. Same thing. Difference? One is run by businessmen. The other is run by politicians.
    Those are more government enforced local monopolies.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Whether I like it or not I knew this was coming.

    The PS around here requires all new complexes have centralized mail boxes, but doing that for the standalone houses (say, at the end of the block) would be a gargantuan expense and a security nightmare. At least now, when thieves try to come up on my porch to steal the outgoing mail, it triggers my porch light.

    But my question is: are they going to start picking the mail up every day again now that they're not delivering on Saturdays? As it stands now I find, if they don't have anything to deliver to me they don't bother to pickup either. Many times I've had to seek out a standalone mailbox to get something out on time. And there are some bills I can't pay online.

    The other problem with this is that some people still get their checks in the mail. It's not always possible to do direct deposit. This is gonna suck hard for them because they're (I believe) most likely to be living from paycheck to paycheck. I suppose they should have a paycheck delivery class that like package delivery, does deliver on Saturdays.

    Oh, and on the junk mail. The PS is structured like the old phone companies. With them the residential lines were largely a loss and the business lines supported the system. Regular mail doesn't pay the way, but the commercial mail, the junk, pays more and actually pays it's own way plus subsidizing the regular mail. Now that folks can refuse the junk (and more are taking advantage of that) and advertisers have discovered the internet, there's far less junk mail - hurting the PS bottom line even more.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My electric company is a public utility. It runs at a profit. My gas supplier is a public utility. Same thing. Difference? One is run by businessmen. The other is run by politicians.
    One other difference, there is a Public Utilities Commission that sets the rules for them. Rate hikes and service changes must be approved by the local or state PUC and there is typically plenty of public input.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    One other difference, there is a Public Utilities Commission that sets the rules for them. Rate hikes and service changes must be approved by the local or state PUC and there is typically plenty of public input.
    Fine. No matter what the restriction, these public utilities run at a profit, trade on the stock exchange, and provide excellent service to their customers. And know what? They don't use a nickel of public money.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those are more government enforced local monopolies.
    And what does that have to do with a profit? What do you consider the USPS to be? You called it a public utility.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    And what does that have to do with a profit? What do you consider the USPS to be? You called it a public utility.
    It's a necessary service which must be guaranteed. It's not a business and it doesn't need to profit. The other forms of public utility we have are usually just forms of local monopoly granted by the government to the best donor. A true public utility need not profit as it is subsidized through taxes and thus its future is guaranteed.
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Fine. No matter what the restriction, these public utilities run at a profit, trade on the stock exchange, and provide excellent service to their customers. And know what? They don't use a nickel of public money.
    I agreed and I'm fine with that, as long as there is a strong PUC in place. Many of our state's local power companies went private when the feds took the Bonneville local rate away from us a few years back. I've seen no difference other than response time being a little slower on killer weather days and of course the price. But that last is due to the feds' action.

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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It isn't doing that now!! Fiscal Year 2011 saw the post office default on its $11.1 billion pension obligations. Has had multi-billion-dollar losses for at least the past five years. In November 2012, they asked Congress for another $14 billion.
    Yes it is. It is not doing it profitably, but it is doing it. Note that just ending Saturday delivery is going to save it 2 billion, moving it much closer to the break even point. What do you think UPS would have to charge for similar service to first class mail?
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    Re: U.S. Postal Service to end Saturday mail delivery in cost-cutting move

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    They would have to if they wanted to win over USPS customers. In fact, they would need to top that in some way. Competition is good for consumers.
    Ummm...UPS is in competition with USPS.
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