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CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

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Gosh. Goodness Gracious. Well who could have predicted that?!?


President Obama's health care law will push 7 million people out of their job-based insurance coverage — nearly twice the previous estimate, according to the latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday...

But the non-partisan agency also expects fewer people to have to pay individual penalties to the IRS than it earlier projects, because of a better method for calculating incomes that found more people will be exempt.


Overall, the new health provisions are expected to cost the government $1.165 trillion over the next decade...

Oh. Wait. Lots of people predicted this, to the collective ignorance of the la-la-law-we-can't-hear-you-obamacare-is-wonderful-no-matter-what's-in-it crowd.
 
Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?
 
Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?

And have rationed care and medical technology from the stone age? No thank you.
 
Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?

Not me, I'm was against The 100% Democrat Obamacare from the get-go, when I realized what it contained. And no, "all the reformers" didn't want this - or else that is what they would have done. It's not that single-payer couldn't pass due to opposition from Republicans, single payer couldn't pass due to opposition from Democrats. This bill was 100% the result of deal-making within the Democrat caucus. Own it.
 
Not me, I'm was against The 100% Democrat Obamacare from the get-go, when I realized what it contained. And no, "all the reformers" didn't want this - or else that is what they would have done. It's not that single-payer couldn't pass due to opposition from Republicans, single payer couldn't pass due to opposition from Democrats. This bill was 100% the result of deal-making within the Democrat caucus. Own it.

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care by David Gratzer, City Journal Summer 2007

Precisely my argument against a UHC.
 
And have rationed care and medical technology from the stone age? No thank you.

Hm. It occurs to me. Let's not let them desperately try to derail a discussion of the amazing and catastrophic failure of Obamacare and the resultant increased hardship and negative consequences for the American people into another theoretical debate on how much they love UHC.


Obamacare is a destructive gargantuan leviathan of regulatory code and destructive incentive structures seemingly almost designed to destroy our health care system. They should be forced to answer for that.
 
Gosh. Goodness Gracious. Well who could have predicted that?!?




Oh. Wait. Lots of people predicted this, to the collective ignorance of the la-la-law-we-can't-hear-you-obamacare-is-wonderful-no-matter-what's-in-it crowd.

Kinda like the same people who supported PPACA, are likely to be the same that oppose cuts to Medicare, even though PPACA had cuts to Medicare.
 
Kinda like the same people who supported PPACA, are likely to be the same that oppose cuts to Medicare, even though PPACA had cuts to Medicare.

Remember Florida 2000 when Democrats were complaining that the ballots weren't fair because a disproportionate percentage of their base was illiterate or senile?
 
Remember Florida 2000 when Democrats were complaining that the ballots weren't fair because a disproportionate percentage of their electorate was illiterate or senile?

Politics brings out the most unusual crap in people.
They can support two opposing policies at the same time, seemingly because of the letter beside their candidates name.
 
Hm. It occurs to me. Let's not let them desperately try to derail a discussion of the amazing and catastrophic failure of Obamacare and the resultant increased hardship and negative consequences for the American people into another theoretical debate on how much they love UHC.


Obamacare is a destructive gargantuan leviathan of regulatory code and destructive incentive structures seemingly almost designed to destroy our health care system. They should be forced to answer for that.

Let's hope the American people are smart enough to realize that this is the road that socialized medicine takes us. Don't fall for the trojan horse, when this thing blows up in our faces, we need to do what we should've done in the first place, which is liberalize the healthcare market. My mom is a nurse at a hospital, and they are gutting staff left and right in the wake of reimbursement cuts. Not to mention, they get zero reimbursement if a patient is readmitted within 30 days. That's not going to cut down on readmissions, that's going to increase them and bankrupt hospitals.
 
Let's hope the American people are smart enough to realize that this is the road that socialized medicine takes us.

Seriously? Did you happen to notice the choad they voted for, the past 2 elections? Half this stupid country would vote for Hitler, if he promised them free stuff.
 
The defenses of PPACA seems to be pretty few and far between these days. Seemed like the left-leaning folks were quite vocal when they wanted it to be passed. Now it's getting harder and harder to support, so they just quiet down. Won't come right out and oppose it though...
 
Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?

Neither side seemed series about a universal healthcare system or even the public option. In fact, the public option seemed little more than a bargaining chip for the Obama administration.

Not to mention, at times during the debate, the dems had a super majority. What stopped them from using such to push a different bill was poor leadership and resistance within their own party
 
Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?

That is the most outrageous partisan hackery message I've seen on the forum. Blaming ObamaCare on Romney? That is so far off the deep end it is astonishing.
 
CBO is wrong on their estimates of those paying fines. Also they didn't mention Small Businesses and their groups Citing otherwise. Moreover they didn't include those Regulations that Obama added.

The analysis from the American Action Forum, led by former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, found that the administration added $216 billion in rules and more than $20 billion in regulatory proposals in 2012. Complying with those rules will require an additional 87 million hours of paperwork, the report said. The group put the total price tag from regulations during Obama’s first term at more than $518 billion.

Regulations from the healthcare reform law tacked an additional $20.1 billion in costs onto the economy.

The Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, several EPA clean air rules and the Affordable Care Act were the most notable regulatory expenses last year. But prison reform standards and conflict minerals

Read more: Report: Obama officials issued $216 billion in regulations last year - The Hill's RegWatch
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (stupid statement I know). An employer decides not to offer health care. The employer therfore pays a fine to the government. The employee is then forced to purchase a plan from an exchange. The exchange health care plan is subsidized by the government. Does'nt it all come out in the wash?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (stupid statement I know). An employer decides not to offer health care. The employer therfore pays a fine to the government. The employee is then forced to purchase a plan from an exchange. The exchange health care plan is subsidized by the government. Does'nt it all come out in the wash?

some food for thought

The brave new world of health insurance exchanges : Columbia Journalism Review

Is Buying Health Insurance Like Shopping on Amazon? : Columbia Journalism Review
 
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I believe your graph does not necessarily give an accurate representation of life expectancy vs health care system. Genetics, lifestyle, and diet can play a huge role in life expectancy. That is not to say I think our system needs an overhaul, I feel it does. I just think that much more is at play here.
 

It may be precisely your argument, but its US ego-centeric view of the world.

In my last job, I was responsible to 4 business acquisitions in Canada. One of the most common employee questions I got was a fear that we would impose our US healthcare on our Canadian employees. Of course, that was not possible, but the fear was noteworthy.

Perhaps you might expand your horizons by considering this alternative view?

The Price We Pay for Health: US and Canada | EconEdLink



I had the privl
 
Not me, I'm was against The 100% Democrat Obamacare from the get-go, when I realized what it contained. And no, "all the reformers" didn't want this - or else that is what they would have done. It's not that single-payer couldn't pass due to opposition from Republicans, single payer couldn't pass due to opposition from Democrats. This bill was 100% the result of deal-making within the Democrat caucus. Own it.
I loved the "Own it" comment. That was money bro.
 
Gosh. Goodness Gracious. Well who could have predicted that?!?




Oh. Wait. Lots of people predicted this, to the collective ignorance of the la-la-law-we-can't-hear-you-obamacare-is-wonderful-no-matter-what's-in-it crowd.

Yeah, after going to your link to the Unification Church newspaper which says "The CBO says..." wihtout a link in it... I'm going to raise a flag of suspicion on it's accuracy.
 

Life expectancy has plenty of factors into it that have nothing to do with healthcare. Like gun violence for example. Or car crashes. Did you guess that we have enormously higher numbers of both then any of those countries? So lets just say we were to ignore those for life expectancy to get a more accurate metric for our health care system. Where do you think we would rank then? Would you guess that it is number one?

If you were to compare cancer survival rates, where do you think the U.S. would be? Would you guess number one?

http://www.aei.org/files/2006/10/17/20061017_OhsfeldtSchneiderPresentation.pdf

The U.S. is the world leader in medical technology and the world leader in health care performance. Using general broad oversweeping statistics that include things that have nothing to do with healthcare to attack the healthcare system is a flat out, politicized LIE.
 
It may be precisely your argument, but its US ego-centeric view of the world.

In my last job, I was responsible to 4 business acquisitions in Canada. One of the most common employee questions I got was a fear that we would impose our US healthcare on our Canadian employees. Of course, that was not possible, but the fear was noteworthy.

Perhaps you might expand your horizons by considering this alternative view?

The Price We Pay for Health: US and Canada | EconEdLink



I had the privl

She was a doctor in Canada? Did you even read the article?
Or are you just making assumptions based on the title?
 
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