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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?
    If it is watered down Romneycare, why does it take 2074 pages instead of 70 pages?
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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Let's hope the American people are smart enough to realize that this is the road that socialized medicine takes us.
    Seriously? Did you happen to notice the choad they voted for, the past 2 elections? Half this stupid country would vote for Hitler, if he promised them free stuff.

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    The defenses of PPACA seems to be pretty few and far between these days. Seemed like the left-leaning folks were quite vocal when they wanted it to be passed. Now it's getting harder and harder to support, so they just quiet down. Won't come right out and oppose it though...

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?
    Neither side seemed series about a universal healthcare system or even the public option. In fact, the public option seemed little more than a bargaining chip for the Obama administration.

    Not to mention, at times during the debate, the dems had a super majority. What stopped them from using such to push a different bill was poor leadership and resistance within their own party

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Again, if we just did the smart thing and went for UHC like all the reformers wanted in the first place, all of this could have been avoided. Instead the got the watered down, profit driven, Romneycare plan. Aren't you proud of yourself?
    That is the most outrageous partisan hackery message I've seen on the forum. Blaming ObamaCare on Romney? That is so far off the deep end it is astonishing.

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    CBO is wrong on their estimates of those paying fines. Also they didn't mention Small Businesses and their groups Citing otherwise. Moreover they didn't include those Regulations that Obama added.

    The analysis from the American Action Forum, led by former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, found that the administration added $216 billion in rules and more than $20 billion in regulatory proposals in 2012. Complying with those rules will require an additional 87 million hours of paperwork, the report said. The group put the total price tag from regulations during Obama’s first term at more than $518 billion.

    Regulations from the healthcare reform law tacked an additional $20.1 billion in costs onto the economy.

    The Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, several EPA clean air rules and the Affordable Care Act were the most notable regulatory expenses last year. But prison reform standards and conflict minerals

    Read more: Report: Obama officials issued $216 billion in regulations last year - The Hill's RegWatch
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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Correct me if I'm wrong (stupid statement I know). An employer decides not to offer health care. The employer therfore pays a fine to the government. The employee is then forced to purchase a plan from an exchange. The exchange health care plan is subsidized by the government. Does'nt it all come out in the wash?

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong (stupid statement I know). An employer decides not to offer health care. The employer therfore pays a fine to the government. The employee is then forced to purchase a plan from an exchange. The exchange health care plan is subsidized by the government. Does'nt it all come out in the wash?
    some food for thought

    The brave new world of health insurance exchanges : Columbia Journalism Review

    Is Buying Health Insurance Like Shopping on Amazon? : Columbia Journalism Review

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    And have rationed care and medical technology from the stone age? No thank you.
    So you like having one of the most expensive, least effective health care delivery systems in the industrial world?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/best-...ld-2012-6?op=1
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-world-country

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    Re: CBO : 7 Million to Lose their Insurance under Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post

    I believe your graph does not necessarily give an accurate representation of life expectancy vs health care system. Genetics, lifestyle, and diet can play a huge role in life expectancy. That is not to say I think our system needs an overhaul, I feel it does. I just think that much more is at play here.

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