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Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

Andalublue

Andalublue

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Congrats.. but has there not been gay marriage for years in the UK?

And sad to see 175 idiots vote against this.. guess they are the same crowd that would vote against women's right to vote and allow children to work in coal mines.
 
PeteEU said:
Congrats.. but has there not been gay marriage for years in the UK?

And sad to see 175 idiots vote against this.. guess they are the same crowd that would vote against women's right to vote and allow children to work in coal mines.
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No, there have been Civil Partnerships for years, now gay partnerships will have the option of marriage. It may be more semantic, but it's a recognition of absolute equality. Excellent outcome.
 
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I will be tuning into Elton John and David Furnish's wedding.

A great day. Good job. Hopefully the rest of Europe follows this path.
 
Just another reason not to ever go to England; which is disappointing to me as it's one of the places in Europe that I'd love to visit due to the history there.
 
Woot woot!! Now if they could only drive on the right side of the road :lol:
 
Tigger said:
Just another reason not to ever go to England; which is disappointing to me as it's one of the places in Europe that I'd love to visit due to the history there.
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That's fine because we don't want you there anyway.
 
Juiposa said:
I will be tuning into Elton John and David Furnish's wedding.

A great day. Good job. Hopefully the rest of Europe follows this path.
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Well, it's a path the UK is not the trail-blazer for. When the bill becomes law it will make the UK the 8th European country to permit SSM, and the 12th worldwide. Your own country was one of the first, I believe.

It still feels good though!
 
Tigger said:
Just another reason not to ever go to England; which is disappointing to me as it's one of the places in Europe that I'd love to visit due to the history there.
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It's a shame you don't want to extend to others the joy you appear to be experiencing with your own beloved.

I'm unsurprised.
 
Andalublue said:
Well, it's a path the UK is not the trail-blazer for. When the bill becomes law it will make the UK the 8th European country to permit SSM, and the 12th worldwide. Your own country was one of the first, I believe.

It still feels good though!
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20 years ago there were 0. I have no doubt in my mind the majority of the world will follow suit in the next 30-40 years.
 
Juiposa said:
20 years ago there were 0. I have no doubt in my mind the majority of the world will follow suit in the next 30-40 years.
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I'm not quite that optimistic. I think it'll take a lot longer than that for many parts of E. Europe, the Middle East and Africa to get with the programe. Within your timeframe I reckon we'll see most of S. America, the US, all of western Europe and scattered parts of SE and E Asia conquered by the homo-hordes. Huzzah!
 
PeteEU said:
Congrats.. but has there not been gay marriage for years in the UK?

And sad to see 175 idiots vote against this.. guess they are the same crowd that would vote against women's right to vote and allow children to work in coal mines.
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:roll:

Well that was a logical argument.
 
Andalublue said:
It's a shame you don't want to extend to others the joy you appear to be experiencing with your own beloved.

I'm unsurprised.
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Andalu, remember that for me the emotional interaction of the relationship is SECONDARY to the ability for the relationship (and both parties involved) to maintain itself within the proper limitations and boundaries of proper society. The greatest emotional attachment means nothing if the interaction of the parties is damaging to their place in society as a whole and their souls as well.
 
Andalublue said:
No, there have been Civil Partnerships for years, now gay partnerships will have the option of marriage. It may be more semantic, but it's a recognition of absolute equality. Excellent outcome.
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Ahh okay to me that is the same /shrug :) The whole church thing is a private affair for me.. could hold it in a barn for all I care.. the important thing is the legal documents and equality.
 
Tigger said:
Andalu, remember that for me the emotional interaction of the relationship is SECONDARY to the ability for the relationship (and both parties involved) to maintain itself within the proper limitations and boundaries of proper society. The greatest emotional attachment means nothing if the interaction of the parties is damaging to their place in society as a whole and their souls as well.
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You might try that line out on your fiancé, see how much hoochy-koochy you get tonight.

I did say that I was unsurprised, Tigger. I remain so; you're one of a kind. Despite your protestations, past and future, I'm pretty sure you're less of a dogmatist in real life than you present yourself to be here.

P.S: I'm pretty sure you told me I was on your ignore list. Please adjust your sig. :peace
 
Andalublue said:
You might try that line out on your fiancé, see how much hoochy-koochy you get tonight.
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Actually, she and I had that conversation a long time ago, and she comes from a nearly identical mindset as mine.

Andalublue said:
I did say that I was unsurprised, Tigger. I remain so; you're one of a kind. Despite your protestations, past and future, I'm pretty sure you're less of a dogmatist in real life than you present yourself to be here.
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One of a kind is probably a very good description. As for my dogmatism.... you might be surprised.
 
Tigger said:
Andalu, remember that for me the emotional interaction of the relationship is SECONDARY to the ability for the relationship (and both parties involved) to maintain itself within the proper limitations and boundaries of proper society. The greatest emotional attachment means nothing if the interaction of the parties is damaging to their place in society as a whole and their souls as well.
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And me entering into a heterosexual relationship would be damaging to my place in society as a whole, and would damage my soul probably beyond repair. So with your own logic you should support SSM, and homosexual relationships.
 
Andalublue said:
You might try that line out on your fiancé, see how much hoochy-koochy you get tonight.
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Tigger hates hoochy-koochy?

Tigger said:
Actually, she and I had that conversation a long time ago, and she comes from a nearly identical mindset as mine.
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I bet she is praying that she will be special and you will never physically attack her. We'll see what she thinks after the first time you actually whup her ass.
 
PeteEU said:
Ahh okay to me that is the same /shrug :) The whole church thing is a private affair for me.. could hold it in a barn for all I care.. the important thing is the legal documents and equality.
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Civil unions for homosexual couples only do create a second class, where the "morally superior" option is only available to a certain group of people.
 
Your Star said:
And me entering into a heterosexual relationship would be damaging to my place in society as a whole, and would damage my soul probably beyond repair. So with your own logic you should support SSM, and homosexual relationships.
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Honestly, I could give a crap about an individual's soul (except perhaps my own) but the damage to society (particularly in regard to the generation of dishonesty and most importantly in the effect of unrealized potential) is unacceptable.
 
Your Star said:
And me entering into a heterosexual relationship would be damaging to my place in society as a whole, and would damage my soul probably beyond repair. So with your own logic you should support SSM, and homosexual relationships.
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In as respectful a manner as possible, Star.... so far as I'm concerned people of your viewpoint don't have a soul. At least not one that is worth anything. I understand and fully accept that you probably feel the exact same way about me. That's fine. Nothing is going to change either of our viewpoints on this topic.



ecofarm said:
Tigger hates hoochy-koochy?
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Not at all. I just believe that it has a proper time, place, and set of participants. I'm not a big believer in casual sex.

ecofarm said:
I bet she is praying that she will be special and you will never physically attack her. We'll see what she thinks after the first time you actually whup her ass.
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We're 13 months into the relationship (as of today) and that has yet to be an issue. Hopefully things will continue in that same way, and I see no reason why they shouldn't.
 
Your Star said:
Civil unions for homosexual couples only do create a second class, where the "morally superior" option is only available to a certain group of people.
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I think I've stated this before, and it might sound very contradictory, but I disagree that Civil Partnerships are a second-rate version of marriage. I know that's not what you were arguing, but many have done. Personally, much as I applaud this decision because it applies equality across the queer-breeder divide, I'd rather all civil partnership recognition was deemed Civil Partnership, not marriage. In Free Andalublue-stan there would be no state recognition of marriage. Marriage would be merely a term used by the religious for whatever they want to do, like a Bar Mitzvah or a Khitan. Separating out the civil from the religious would make more sense. And all vows ought to lose the "Till death us do part" bit. Get real! No one buys that guff any more.
 
Tigger said:
We're 13 months into the relationship (as of today) and that has yet to be an issue. Hopefully things will continue in that same way, and I see no reason why they shouldn't.
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Here's a reason: you've always done it before and you think it is good. We're off topic, so no more Tigger talk here.
 
Tigger said:
In as respectful a manner as possible, Star.... so far as I'm concerned people of your viewpoint don't have a soul. At least not one that is worth anything. I understand and fully accept that you probably feel the exact same way about me. That's fine. Nothing is going to change either of our viewpoints on this topic.
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Horrid sentiment, politely put. I don't know about YS, but I don't believe in the existence of the soul, so this doesn't worry me at all.
I'm not a big believer in casual sex.
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It's been so long since I had it, and as a strict empiricist, I'm not sure I believe it any more either.
We're 13 months into the relationship (as of today) and that has yet to be an issue. Hopefully things will continue in that same way, and I see no reason why they shouldn't.
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I sincerely hope that you manage to keep your destructive emotions in check, Tigger. You sound too happy to throw it away through a lack of self-restraint.
 
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