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    Re: Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's not about the benefits, it's about victory over a word.
    A word YOU don't have ownership of in the first place. Words change and whether you like it or now, SSM will be legal. Baby steps have already taken place and the FEDERAL ban on gays in the military has been lifted. You are a dying breed, literally. Deal with that FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think I've stated this before, and it might sound very contradictory, but I disagree that Civil Partnerships are a second-rate version of marriage. I know that's not what you were arguing, but many have done. Personally, much as I applaud this decision because it applies equality across the queer-breeder divide, I'd rather all civil partnership recognition was deemed Civil Partnership, not marriage. In Free Andalublue-stan there would be no state recognition of marriage. Marriage would be merely a term used by the religious for whatever they want to do, like a Bar Mitzvah or a Khitan. Separating out the civil from the religious would make more sense. And all vows ought to lose the "Till death us do part" bit. Get real! No one buys that guff any more.
    this is already done
    they have been separated for centuries
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    Re: Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As long as there is no legal difference between the two groups.. then the "morally superior" can stick it in a place the sun dont shine.
    well i dont know about over there but here in america they are clearly different, nothing has been setup to establish otherwise.
    also we tried the separate but equal stuff before it failed


    PS not attacking you just throwing in my two cents in the matter. ANd i think they can stick it now! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not a "strawman" at all. When you talk about the "sacredness" of the defintion of a word....it is either "sacred" or not. You can't accept the changes in definitions that you are willing to accept and at the same time cry about how the word and the definition are so sacred that it should not be changed.
    Of course it's a strawman. The issue has nothing to do with historic racism and bigotry. Getting back to the point of demanding a word be redefined, frankly, I've never understood the "cut off nose in spite of face" approach to issues.

    It seems those seeking such a move become so emotional about it, they begin to assign motives to those who resist the move that don't exist.

    I don't really care what it's called. Call it marriage. I have no problem with that.

    The problem is that tens of millions do have a problem with it.

    As a result, all that is being accomplished is meaningless recognition at some state levels. It's the Federal Government that needs to recognize the action, and that is not going to happen anytime soon given the way it's being approached.

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    Re: Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    A word YOU don't have ownership of in the first place. Words change and whether you like it or now, SSM will be legal. Baby steps have already taken place and the FEDERAL ban on gays in the military has been lifted. You are a dying breed, literally. Deal with that FACT.
    I'm a dying breed? Really? You posted that?
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    Re: Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Of course it's a strawman. The issue has nothing to do with historic racism and bigotry. Getting back to the point of demanding a word be redefined, frankly, I've never understood the "cut off nose in spite of face" approach to issues.

    It seems those seeking such a move become so emotional about it, they begin to assign motives to those who resist the move that don't exist.

    I don't really care what it's called. Call it marriage. I have no problem with that.

    The problem is that tens of millions do have a problem with it.

    As a result, all that is being accomplished is meaningless recognition at some state levels. It's the Federal Government that needs to recognize the action, and that is not going to happen anytime soon given the way it's being approached.
    any time soon?
    its just my opinion but i think it will be 10years max before equal/civil rights are granted for gays, its a shame it took this long but i think thats all its going to take.

    now i admit that 10 years ago i thought it would never happen in my lifetime, i thought it would happen in my childrens lifetime but that has changed based on history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Late to the party but I want to catch up.

    what word are we talking about?
    if theres a victory there must be a battle who is the battle between?
    Themselves and windmills.

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    any time soon?
    its just my opinion but i think it will be 10years max before equal/civil rights are granted for gays, its a shame it took this long but i think thats all its going to take.

    now i admit that 10 years ago i thought it would never happen in my lifetime, i thought it would happen in my childrens lifetime but that has changed based on history.
    The point is, it could happen today if the battle wasn't over the word "marriage", but over the rights the Federal Government should be granting as a result of the act.

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    Re: Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Themselves and windmills.
    so you dont know or you simply dont want to answer?
    pick one
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    Re: Gay marriage: MPs debate and vote, The Ayes have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The point is, it could happen today if the battle wasn't over the word "marriage", but over the rights the Federal Government should be granting as a result of the act.
    i know you think thats the point but its not, why?

    I said Equal rights / civil rights.

    THose dont exist calling it something else
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