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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Tell me, how would they get this many willing citizens when the majority of Americans hate AQ?
    The point is that these citizens are now enemies...how could you not get that?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Constitution says due process of law. Convict first, kill second. I really have no problem with the govt killing of proven murderers, so long as it's the local state govt and provide opportunity for legal defense. Unless they are wanted in multiple states, then maybe the feds can go after them. However, I will not condone death by drone without intel proving that they committed crimes worthy of death without warning or legal process.
    Its wishy washy. If they are shooting to kill, I'd perfer a drone take them out then put an officer's life in the line of fire.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Its wishy washy. If they are shooting to kill, I'd perfer a drone take them out then put an officer's life in the line of fire.
    Yes but my point was that if they are American citizens, they should be afforded the rights that come with that title, and one of those is a trial, not just a hunch that he/she might have committed acts of terrorism or treason. There needs to at least be overwhelming evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty, and even then, there should still be some kind of trial. We can't just have our federal govt running around killing citizens on a whim because it creates an atmosphere of fear toward our govt, which makes it less of a govt for, of, and by the people than the governing of the people by elites who must know better than the average person because they are just so much better than we are. It allows and promotes military ruling of the population, which is a rather unAmerican idea.

    I understand that sometimes it's just not that simple, and it is better not to risk mens' lives when you don't have to, but there at least has to be some kind of proof. Why do we have a constitution if we allow our govt to ignore it completely? This is one of our most basic rights, and now they take it without repercussion. If we aren't going to do it by the books, why the hell do we have the books in the first place?

    And sorry about being wishy washy, I wasn't doing so well yesterday.

    Oh, and on the point of state vs. fed govt killing of citizens within the U.S., nevermind. As I said, I wasn't doing so well yesterday and had something mixed up in my head.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The point is that these citizens are now enemies...how could you not get that?
    And who declares them enemies? Have they been indicted by a jury? Or are they just the proverbial Enemy of The State?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you are in favor of convicted felons owning weapons?
    Should Martha Stewart be able to possess a firearm?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And who declares them enemies? Have they been indicted by a jury? Or are they just the proverbial Enemy of The State?
    That's asinine. What is the government supposed to do? Let's take your standard right here and apply it to a traditional war. Would the government have to gather evidence, present that evidence to the court, get an arrest warrant, arrest the enemy, bring the to court, put on a trial of their piers and then, if found guilty, put them back on the battle field and kill them? Is that how you envision this? These people are actively engaging in a war against the United States. They shouldn't be given special treatment just because they are American.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And who declares them enemies? Have they been indicted by a jury? Or are they just the proverbial Enemy of The State?
    They don't love Big Brother.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    That's asinine. What is the government supposed to do? Let's take your standard right here and apply it to a traditional war. Would the government have to gather evidence, present that evidence to the court, get an arrest warrant, arrest the enemy, bring the to court, put on a trial of their piers and then, if found guilty, put them back on the battle field and kill them? Is that how you envision this? These people are actively engaging in a war against the United States. They shouldn't be given special treatment just because they are American.
    Keep in mind that there is no declaration of war here, as required by the US Constitution. So we are working outside the law here to start with. The sophistry of the AUMF is insufficient. The President can already wage war, as pointed out by FDR decades ago.

    Or, are we working within the rule of law? Your choice.

    We invaded their country, good sir, not the other way around.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They don't love Big Brother.
    Well it seems to me that sooner or later a person must make a decision about where he stands, in the relationship between a citizen and his government.

    When it comes to law and how things should be decided, in general terms things should be decided by the courts in favor of the individual, and against the government.

    Of course there are exceptions, and that's what criminal charges and procedures are. But first a citizen must violate the law before he can be held, Habeas Corpus.

    But the sad reality is that most federal agencies are concerned about the government. They ARE the government, and they protect their own, every time.

    So I see the government as necessary, but it must operate in accordance with the law of the land, USC. If it doesn't, citizens have an obligation to criticize it. As Thomas Paine put it, it is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Keep in mind that there is no declaration of war here, as required by the US Constitution. So we are working outside the law here to start with. The sophistry of the AUMF is insufficient. The President can already wage war, as pointed out by FDR decades ago.

    Or, are we working within the rule of law? Your choice.

    We invaded their country, good sir, not the other way around.
    Yes there is: Congressional Declaration of War on Terror, 14 Sept 2001
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