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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That material is and will likely remain classified for another 50 or so years. So we don't know what the President knew about likely civilian deaths in the event of that strike. I'm just pointing out that the travel advisory defense is so flimsy a defense as to be almost nonexistant; as it addresses something completely different.
    I wasn't making a defense with it... I just think background information is important, knowing where the event took place and the socio-political climate that it took place in.

    This isn't an american who died in a safe location, he died as a result of an attack on a dangerous person in a dangerous place. I believe in some measure of personal responsibility if you go into a location that your own country cannot guarantee your safety and in fact urges you to leave because it's so dangerous well then you cannot really hold them accountable if you choose to ignore those warnings and then end up hurt or worse. Those 'classified documents' that you mentioned is something that you have no evidence for even existing, if you go down that route then fine but there's a separate forum for it in the conspiracy theory section.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    I'm not going to go back and 281 posts on this, but I did want to point out the valid reason for this decision. If the US openly stated they would not attack a US citizen that is actively participating in AQ, what would AQ do? Put a US citizen in every AQ house, hut, cave, tent, and out house to insure their safety. The US has to be able to target Americans working with the enemy. This isn't political persecution or killing someone expected of robbing a grocery store. These are people that are in effect defectors working with an enemy. They are fair game.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    First step: go out and kill foreign suspected Al Qaeda operatives in foreign countries.
    Next step: Kill American suspected Al Qaeda operatives in foreign countries.
    Next step: Kill American suspected Al Qaeda operatives right here at home.
    Next step: Expand the definition of "terrorist group".
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'm not going to go back and 281 posts on this, but I did want to point out the valid reason for this decision. If the US openly stated they would not attack a US citizen that is actively participating in AQ, what would AQ do? Put a US citizen in every AQ house, hut, cave, tent, and out house to insure their safety. The US has to be able to target Americans working with the enemy. This isn't political persecution or killing someone expected of robbing a grocery store. These are people that are in effect defectors working with an enemy. They are fair game.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ



    LOL.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What do you think about the Democrats going after this issue with Obama?

    In a sign that the hearing had focused intense scrutiny on the drone program, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told reporters after the hearing that she thinks it may be time to lift the secrecy off the program so that U.S. officials can acknowledge the strikes and correct what she said were exaggerated reports of civilian casualties.

    Feinstein said she and a number of other senators are considering writing legislation to set up a special court system to regulate drone strikes, similar to the one that signs off on government surveillance in espionage and terror cases.

    Speaking with uncharacteristic openness about the classified program, Feinstein said the CIA had allowed her staff to make more than 30 visits to the CIA's Langley, Va., headquarters to monitor strikes, but that the transparency needed to be widened.

    "I think the process set up internally is a solid process," Feinstein said, but added: "I think there's an absence of knowing exactly who is responsible for what decision. So I think we need to look at this whole process and figure a way to make it transparent and identifiable."......snip~

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    The only way I would even rationally consider this is if it were strictly restricted for known gang members/gang leaders.
    Constitution says due process of law. Convict first, kill second. I really have no problem with the govt killing of proven murderers, so long as it's the local state govt and provide opportunity for legal defense. Unless they are wanted in multiple states, then maybe the feds can go after them. However, I will not condone death by drone without intel proving that they committed crimes worthy of death without warning or legal process.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not sure if that constitutional.
    I don't even know why they even are bringing up a special court. Especially when all say it is going nowhere. That there will be no action for a special court. If such is the case then why are they even going thru those motions. We have a court that can deal with such and they can make sure whoever is giving that order. That there is oversite upon it.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the withholding of the opportunity to vote or bear arms if one is a felon

    So you are in favor of convicted felons owning weapons?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'm not going to go back and 281 posts on this, but I did want to point out the valid reason for this decision. If the US openly stated they would not attack a US citizen that is actively participating in AQ, what would AQ do? Put a US citizen in every AQ house, hut, cave, tent, and out house to insure their safety. The US has to be able to target Americans working with the enemy. This isn't political persecution or killing someone expected of robbing a grocery store. These are people that are in effect defectors working with an enemy. They are fair game.
    Tell me, how would they get this many willing citizens when the majority of Americans hate AQ?
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