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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I realize this isn't the first, but that wasn't really the point I was making...the point is they're using drones right now for "surveillance". Until....when, exactly? They've gone so far beyond rational in this "manhunt" it isn't beyond the realm of possibility for them to take it a step further. And if he isn't the first killed by drone, I suspect it won't be long before we see that milestone hit.
    Your suspicions are noted, but so what? Are you any less threatened by being shot in the back by "hyped up" police while delivering newspapers? CA police are crazy and now "all" are offered a $1 million bounty for "helping" to arrest this special moron. What is "special" in this case is the intended victims, not the weapons and tactics used.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, the drones used in the US are not armed.



    at least not yet.
    Yep. But the police are armed, hyped up and extremely dangerous; they have shot innocent civilians delivering newspapers becuase they were *gasp* driving a pick-up truck.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I realize this isn't the first, but that wasn't really the point I was making...the point is they're using drones right now for "surveillance". Until....when, exactly? They've gone so far beyond rational in this "manhunt" it isn't beyond the realm of possibility for them to take it a step further. And if he isn't the first killed by drone, I suspect it won't be long before we see that milestone hit.
    He's suspected of shooting and killing people. I honestly don't see the issue here, would it be okay if it was an actual human flying around in a helicopter looking for this guy instead of an unmanned aerial vehicle. The latter seems much more efficient to me.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. But the police are armed, hyped up and extremely dangerous; they have shot innocent civilians delivering newspapers becuase they were *gasp* driving a pick-up truck.
    That's bad enough, isn't it, but imagine if some anonymous person sitting in a control room a thousand miles away, or even better, a robotic "brain" inside a drone, could decide to off someone? That is what is happening in places like Yemen, so why not here?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's bad enough, isn't it, but imagine if some anonymous person sitting in a control room a thousand miles away, or even better, a robotic "brain" inside a drone, could decide to off someone? That is what is happening in places like Yemen, so why not here?
    The consequences are no different if an internal review board can declare the shoot "good". Have you read of any criminal charges resulting from the latest "whoops" shooting? Taxpayers will pay a settlement to those shot "accidentally" and the police will continue to enjoy these legal "superpowers". Plenty of officer shootings/beatings are declared "good" with little or no justification at all. At least the joystick zapping crew has video to be reviewed and actual orders involved.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The consequences are no different if an internal review board can declare the shoot "good". Have you read of any criminal charges resulting from the latest "whoops" shooting? Taxpayers will pay a settlement to those shot "accidentally" and the police will continue to enjoy these legal "superpowers". Plenty of officer shootings/beatings are declared "good" with little or no justification at all. At least the joystick zapping crew has video to be reviewed and actual orders involved.
    Well, if the cops can get by with shooting someone on suspicion that they may be a bad guy, then the results are the same. Still, the idea of drones swooping out of the sky and shooting rockets is chilling. Remember the "dog" in Farenheit 451? Unmanned drones programmed to get someone brings up a similar scenario.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There is coolateral damage in every war, funny how it just bothers the right when Obama does it. The US is amazingly good at surgical stikes and spends lots of money getting better at them every year the kid getting killed was unfortunate. If his dad was really a Senior AQ leader, maybe it saved more kids lives that Dad wont get to kill someday. BTW, I really dont know about this, so I am just throwing it out there. In many countries 16 year olds are prime military age. Do you think the kid was an active duty alquida?
    I feel like I'm missing something here?

    Even if he wasn't partaking in any terrorist activities, the US had been warning people for that entire year to leave Yemen to not go into Yemen because we could no longer ensure their safety there. Al-Alwaki's son was killed after that so unless there's evidence that he was clearly a target of the strike then the US is not at fault for his death.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    I feel like I'm missing something here?

    Even if he wasn't partaking in any terrorist activities, the US had been warning people for that entire year to leave Yemen to not go into Yemen because we could no longer ensure their safety there. Al-Alwaki's son was killed after that so unless there's evidence that he was clearly a target of the strike then the US is not at fault for his death.
    Do you think several different White House officials giving different stories constitutes enough evidence? What about the part by them of confirming that his son was a killed in a Drone Strike?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you think several different White House officials giving different stories constitutes enough evidence? What about the part by them of confirming that his son was a killed in a Drone Strike?
    The US since at least the beginning of March 2011 had been warning US citizens that they could no longer ensure their safety in Yemen. They warned Americans to get out of Yemen and they warned Americans not to go into Yemen. That Drone Strike that killed Al-Alwaki's son was targeting a very dangerous senior member of Al-qaeda, Ibrahim al-Banna.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

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