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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Sure, and what I read was pure right wing myth. No such thing as absolute Constitutional rights. Get used to it.
    Might you offer a hypothetical example of when a constitutional right might not be absolute?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Might you offer a hypothetical example of when a constitutional right might not be absolute?
    the withholding of the opportunity to vote or bear arms if one is a felon
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am going to give you an answer I answered some time ago from a different website. If you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness then so does everyone else. If one other does not have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness then no one does.
    I don't understand why people always mistake the Declaration of Independence for the Constitution.

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    If all species respond to any command that one simple command is to survive. Every individual has the right to survive. If every individual has the right to survive then it follows that every individual should be free to act in ways that ensure their survival.
    Which includes, say, killing the guy who is coordinating a plan to kill you. Of course, you're entitled to due process IF you can be captured but if you're participating in a war and cannot be captured then you can be killed to prevent you from killing someone else. The Founding Fathers weren't stupid. They didn't try to capture every British soldier during the Revolution to give them trials before they returned fire.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

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    the withholding of the opportunity to vote or bear arms if one is a felon
    Which is, I believe, a mistake. If a person cannot be trusted with their full rights why are they not still in prison? Why are they among us?

    Also, its far to easy to commit a felony. You can be a felon for going 10 over the speed limit in some states, or protesting near any government official under secret service protection.

    I think about this fact every single time I hear someone in comment on something trivial with "that's a felony." I don't think class 5/6 felons should receive such treatment.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the withholding of the opportunity to vote or bear arms if one is a felon
    True enough, and said rights are taken through due process of law.

    Slightly related, how does your position, or Napolean's position, reconcile that Habeas Corpus was just taken away by the amendment to NDAA? The Constitution allows that Habeas privilege may be suspended in times of rebellion or invasion, but we have neither in this case, yet that has been now taken by the government without an amendment.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    So...I guess this guy's a declared member of Al-Qa'ida or "related terrorist" organization, now, eh?

    Christopher Dorner is first drone target on U.S. soil
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So...I guess this guy's a declared member of Al-Qa'ida or "related terrorist" organization, now, eh?

    Christopher Dorner is first drone target on U.S. soil
    That is monumentally horrible.

    Is the US military in control of the drone? What other agency has an armed drone?

    We woke up and we are now in a military state. It just doesn’t look like it because you can’t see the drones.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So...I guess this guy's a declared member of Al-Qa'ida or "related terrorist" organization, now, eh?

    Christopher Dorner is first drone target on U.S. soil
    The border patrol "Predator" drones are not armed, they are for surveillence. This is also not the "first" use of drones on US soil - they were used in 2011 in a ND case. They are routinely used for border security missions in the US.

    More Predator drones fly U.S.-Mexico border - Washington Post
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The border patrol "Predator" drones are not armed, they are for surveillence. This is also not the "first" use of drones on US soil - they were used in 2011 in a ND case. They are routinely used for border security missions in the US.

    More Predator drones fly U.S.-Mexico border - Washington Post
    I realize this isn't the first, but that wasn't really the point I was making...the point is they're using drones right now for "surveillance". Until....when, exactly? They've gone so far beyond rational in this "manhunt" it isn't beyond the realm of possibility for them to take it a step further. And if he isn't the first killed by drone, I suspect it won't be long before we see that milestone hit.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The border patrol "Predator" drones are not armed, they are for surveillence. This is also not the "first" use of drones on US soil - they were used in 2011 in a ND case. They are routinely used for border security missions in the US.

    More Predator drones fly U.S.-Mexico border - Washington Post
    No, the drones used in the US are not armed.



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