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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'd like to think this couldn't happen here, but I have a little bit of concern that we are heading down a slippery slope. It didn't just start. It started with local police buying and obtain surplus military equipment. And not he govt is all over the idea of limiting fire arms.
    I was just going to throw this up. Good Catch AM! This along with NDAA is serious. This would mean that Obama or any after him could target Americans in the US, with Drones.

    Here was the wording.....

    It refers, for example, to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than actual intelligence about any ongoing plot against the U.S. homeland.

    The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states.

    Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”

    As in Holder’s speech, the confidential memo lays out a three-part test that would make targeted killings of American lawful: In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be “infeasible, and the strike must be conducted according to “law of war principles.” But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an “undue risk” to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.....snip~

    On Monday, a bipartisan group of 11 senators -- led by Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon — wrote a letter to President Barack Obama asking him to release all Justice Department memos on the subject. While accepting that “there will clearly be circumstances in which the president has the authority to use lethal force” against Americans who take up arms against the country, it said, “It is vitally important ... for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets the limits and boundaries of this authority.”.....snip~

    Even the Democrats are questioning this. Out of the 11..... 8 are Demos. They want Answers from Obama.....NOW!
    BBC picked this up as well.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    This is just wrong. There should be some legal proceeding to do something to judge the actions of a citizen before such an action is taken. Try them in absentia or go through a proceeding to revoke citizenship, but not just on executive fiat.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    NDAA allows the capture & incarceration of Americans without due process, without evidence
    The drone strikes allow the ordered death of Americans without due process, without evidence
    And they want to make sure you dont have the weaponry to fight back

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    if someone is involved with the enemy of my nation - regardless of their place of birth - they have become an enemy target
    whether by drone or other military weapon

    surprised so many of the reich wing are opposed to our military's eradicating enemy forces
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    i have never been comfortable with some of these WOT policies. too little oversight.

    i also have to ask myself, how would we respond if China used drones to target Chinese dissidents in the US?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Declare war, and rightfully so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i have never been comfortable with some of these WOT policies. too little oversight.

    i also have to ask myself, how would we respond if China used drones to target Chinese dissidents in the US?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i have never been comfortable with some of these WOT policies. too little oversight.

    i also have to ask myself, how would we respond if China used drones to target Chinese dissidents in the US?

    we should be very, very concerned about chinese drones flying around undetected in US air space [/s]
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if someone is involved with the enemy of my nation - regardless of their place of birth - they have become an enemy target
    whether by drone or other military weapon

    surprised so many of the reich wing are opposed to our military's eradicating enemy forces
    Yes, but are you confortable with the government arbitrarily deciding who is the enemy of the nation? Personally, I'm not confortable with the government having arbitrary choice in that matter.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, but are you confortable with the government arbitrarily deciding who is the enemy of the nation? Personally, I'm not confortable with the government having arbitrary choice in that matter.
    our military makes that decision on our behalf every day
    just because it is someone of American birth who has decided to be our nation's enemy does not change a thing
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    our military makes that decision on our behalf every day
    just because it is someone of American birth who has decided to be our nation's enemy does not change a thing
    And what if the goernment decides that protesting against it is a threat? This is what I mean, you place way more faith in our government than I do. Personally I don't trust them to make that decision, especially when it comes to Americans.

    Unfortunately people only look at the government as it is NOW, instead of looking at what it can become. As it is the govenrment is a beast and people seem more than happy to keep giving it power.

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