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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

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    The conservative response in the Bush era was "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about".
    I dont think that was the response from the majority of Americans....the Hannityites sure, but not the majority of Americans.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

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    The MEMO is talking about American citizens no longer living in the states who have joined up with al-Quaida or similar and are considered a "senior operational leaders".

    1. It's a MEMO making the case for a policy.

    2. If you leave the U.S. and join up with al-Quaida and become a "senior operational leader", then you are an enemy of the United States.

    3. I have a hard time believing any Congressman or Senator who support rendition, enhanced interrogation, or any number of Patriot Act policies would have a problem with killing an terrorist enemy of the United States before they can plan an attack.

    If you're in war and you suddenly change sides and begin working with the enemy, do you have the right to scream "but I'm an American" as your former squad guns you down?

    Your comments seem like the typical anti-Obama nonsense that has become too common in the last 4 years. You don't even respect the right of your country to protect you from an enemy (that happens to hold a U.S. Passport).

    Re: your continental U.S. hypothetical. Think about it, if a senior operational leader of al-Quaida is in the U.S., he better be here standing trial or giving up intel. If you've completely given yourself over to religious extremism and the U.S. is your sworn enemy, then your 'citizenship' is a moot point.
    But none of that is for the Administration to decide and without evidence to back it up. Just look at the 16 year old they killed with a drone strike who had no known associations with any terrorist groups.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    But none of that is for the Administration to decide and without evidence to back it up. Just look at the 16 year old they killed with a drone strike who had no known associations with any terrorist groups.
    Correct. Are we going to support executions by government decree? Do we really want to trust the government to decide who lives or dies?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    It doesn't matter whether we trust the government to do so, or NOT.

    The government has claimed that power as its own. It has usurped the power, and all the talking heads have utterly embraced that usurpation.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    It says nothing of the sort, in fact it says that intelligence is not needed;
    The quote you used to support this is from the article, not the memo, and it is at the very least misleading. Again, the memo only authorizes strikes against senior officials known to be continually involved in planning attacks.

    There is far too much selective reading going on in this thread. Confirmation bias, much?

    Such is the case with Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, a 16 year old born in Denver whose father was killed by drone strike on Sept 30, 2011....Abdulrahman who had no known ties to any organization was killed in a drone strike on Oct 14, 2011 while eating at an outside cafe.
    The government claims that Abdulrahman was never a target, the drone was aimed for Ibrahim al-Banna, and Abdulrahman happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If that is true (and I am not so quick as many here to assume that anything the government says must be a lie, because Democrats like Obama obviously just want to kill American teenagers), their error was in assessing the proper moment to strike, not in deciding who to target. And notably, arguably innocent people died in the more traditional assault on Osama bin Laden a few years ago. Banning drone attacks is not going to end that unfortunate side effect of war.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Obama orders secret drone memos shared with Congress.....

    President Barack Obama, moving to defuse a battle with Congress, directed the Justice Department on Wednesday to share with key congressional committees secret memos laying out the legal justification for targeted drone-strike assassinations overseas, an aide said.

    Obama’s decision came as his pick to head the CIA, White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan, faced a grilling on the issue Thursday at a confirmation hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    “Today, as part of the president's ongoing commitment to consult with Congress on national security matters, the president directed the Department of Justice to provide the congressional Intelligence committees access to classified Office of Legal Counsel advice related to the subject" of drone strikes, an administration official said in an emailed statement to reporters. The official requested anonymity to detail behind-the-scenes cooperation between the White House and Congress on a sensitive issue.....snip~

    Obama orders secret drone memos shared with Congress | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
    The Ticket – 57 mins ago Feb 6 2013<<<<<More here.

    Looks like Obama caved after his meeting with Senate Demos today.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Cmon now the kid was sitting outside a restaurant, eating, in Yemen.....then a Drone Strike took him out. Can't say it was an accident.
    You also can't say that having lunch with a group of Al Qaeda operatives was an accident either.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    You also can't say that having lunch with a group of Al Qaeda operatives was an accident either.
    Is there something to say there was AQ operatives there. As the report stated he was alone eating when killed.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    The quote you used to support this is from the article, not the memo, and it is at the very least misleading. Again, the memo only authorizes strikes against senior officials known to be continually involved in planning attacks.

    There is far too much selective reading going on in this thread. Confirmation bias, much?

    The government claims that Abdulrahman was never a target, the drone was aimed for Ibrahim al-Banna, and Abdulrahman happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If that is true (and I am not so quick as many here to assume that anything the government says must be a lie, because Democrats like Obama obviously just want to kill American teenagers), their error was in assessing the proper moment to strike, not in deciding who to target. And notably, arguably innocent people died in the more traditional assault on Osama bin Laden a few years ago. Banning drone attacks is not going to end that unfortunate side effect of war.
    Not confirmation bias at all, but no proof beyond a reasonable doubt decided by a court, no trial, no chance to defend himself against his accusers, just a death sentence. Thats not enough for me, sorry.

    I am all for the use of Drones. I do NOT have a single issue with the use of Drones, in fact I think Drones are probably one of the best ways to get the job done with the least amount of American casualties.

    That being said, I am completely against the self-permitting & self-justification of killing Americans abroad just on the word of the Administration, without due process and in complete disregard of their Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Until they actually do something that is provable beyond a reasonable doubt, as in our laws where death is the punishment, I can not condone killing American citizens.

    Killing them while on the field of battle while engaged in battle...fine. At that point they have physically picked up arms against this country and they get what they get, but to be put on a kill list even when they havent done anything other than express their rights of freedom of speech at that point?

    The child was collateral damage, nice excuse for killing an American citizen...a child at that....and then have Carney blame the father for it in a press conference?

    Both Bush and Obama have done so much to erode and ignore the fundamental rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution its pathetic. Bush started the ball rolling and Obama put it on steroids.
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