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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans - Open Channel



    How far can the government go? What happens if they find that this situation within the continental US? Where could this go?
    The MEMO is talking about American citizens no longer living in the states who have joined up with al-Quaida or similar and are considered a "senior operational leaders".

    1. It's a MEMO making the case for a policy.

    2. If you leave the U.S. and join up with al-Quaida and become a "senior operational leader", then you are an enemy of the United States.

    3. I have a hard time believing any Congressman or Senator who support rendition, enhanced interrogation, or any number of Patriot Act policies would have a problem with killing an terrorist enemy of the United States before they can plan an attack.

    If you're in war and you suddenly change sides and begin working with the enemy, do you have the right to scream "but I'm an American" as your former squad guns you down?

    Your comments seem like the typical anti-Obama nonsense that has become too common in the last 4 years. You don't even respect the right of your country to protect you from an enemy (that happens to hold a U.S. Passport).

    Re: your continental U.S. hypothetical. Think about it, if a senior operational leader of al-Quaida is in the U.S., he better be here standing trial or giving up intel. If you've completely given yourself over to religious extremism and the U.S. is your sworn enemy, then your 'citizenship' is a moot point.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And my response to that was "If I am doing nothing wrong, then what I do is none of the government's f'n business".
    And you would be correct in saying that. I just find it odd that those that agreed with Bush doing things like this are all of a sudden outraged when a Dem is doing similiar things. Also, I am equally suprised at those that criticized this with Bush, giving a free pass to Obama.

    Wrong is wrong, regardless of political affiliation.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The conservative response in the Bush era was "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about".
    And the liberal response to the Obama era is "we should be able to do everything that we said was wrong for Bush to do... plus a little extra."
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    And the liberal response to the Obama era is "we should be able to do everything that we said was wrong for Bush to do... plus a little extra."

    See my post above. My point is the hypcrisy on both sides is disgusting.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Why is it that drone strikes are only allowed against Islamic trouble makers? Shouldn't we be allowed to take out birthers and anti-abortion nuts as well?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    See my post above. My point is the hypcrisy on both sides is disgusting.
    Sorry, I didn't catch that.

    You are right and I've been saying this for years. When we have an environment that allows those in power to get away with abuses of that power by simply pointing to past abuses("they did it, too!") then we will never be able to stop it. It's a never ending cycle.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    1. "Where an informed, high-level official of the US government has determined that the targeted individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States."
    .....in much the same way that informed, high level officials of the US government determined that Saddam Hussain had weapons of mass destruction.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well it's not necessarily a "license to kill", that is the problem. Governors have the power of life and death in their hands, and the President is authorized to full executive powers within the confines of the Constitution. It's the unchecked power without oversight or balance that is the problem. Our system was designed to set faction upon faction to check each other. Here (like in so many other areas), the President apparently believes that system to be too confining for all the "fundamental change" he wants to make to America.
    First, having to get a warrant for wiretaps was too confining.
    Now, having oversight for assassination by drone is too confining.
    Will drone attacks on our own soil be next? When will we finally put a stop to this unchecked power?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I think we might but AM had this up since 5am.....so I didn't get back until later in the evening. Which is why I am hitting it this piece up. Are the others worded in the same with the same piece? If so, maybe we can get them merged.

    I agree with you.....everybody should be concerned.
    Isn't this the same subject?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ


    Samir Khan (left) and Anwar al-Awlaki, both U.S. citizens, were killed in in Yemen by an American drone strike.

    Of the scores of people dubbed terrorists and taken out by American military drone strikes, three men -- all killed in the fall of 2011 -- were U.S. citizens.
    And their lives illustrate the complexity of the issue, recently brought to light amid a newly discovered government memo that provides the legal reasoning behind drone strikes on Americans.

    Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were killed by a missile strike in Yemen on Sept. 30, 2011, while al-Awlaki’s son, Abdulrahman, was killed in the country just weeks later.

    Since the attacks, family members have called the deaths unjust and sued the U.S. government, calling the killings unconstitutional.

    But the most controversial drone strike took place on Oct. 14, 2011, when 16-year-old Abdulrahman was killed by U.S. forces.

    Family of the Denver-born teenager say he had no ties to terrorist organizations and was unjustly targeted because of his father.
    Nassar al-Awlaki, grandfather of Abdulrahman and father to Anwar, said he tried to protect his grandson as Anwar al-Awlaki’s profile grew.
    In December, Nassar al-Awlaki told CNN, “In Anwar it was expected because he was under targeted killing, but how in the world they will go and kill Abdulrahman. Small boy, U.S. citizen from Denver, Colorado.”

    The Obama administration has remained mostly mum regarding Abdulrahman's death, and at times has struggled to explain it.....snip~

    American drone deaths highlight controversy - U.S. News

    16 years old! Team Obama must have thought the kid would come for revenge.....huh?

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