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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't see how anyone, regardless of their "lean" could possibly support giving the presidency a license to kill.

    (Don't we have at least two other threads on this same subject now?)
    Well it's not necessarily a "license to kill", that is the problem. Governors have the power of life and death in their hands, and the President is authorized to full executive powers within the confines of the Constitution. It's the unchecked power without oversight or balance that is the problem. Our system was designed to set faction upon faction to check each other. Here (like in so many other areas), the President apparently believes that system to be too confining for all the "fundamental change" he wants to make to America.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I don't live in a paranoid Orwellian fantasyland. I'm a Democrat, and I don't care if some pencil pusher in the CIA knows what I ate for lunch today. If taking video footage of me eating chicken nuggets makes someone feel safer then so be it.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if someone is involved with the enemy of my nation - regardless of their place of birth - they have become an enemy target
    whether by drone or other military weapon

    surprised so many of the reich wing are opposed to our military's eradicating enemy forces
    The part that bothers me on this is that the government said it needs no intelligence to back it up. If you are an American citizen and your government has targeted you for your actions, you still have your rights to defend you. If you are guilty then you deserve the punishment you get.

    The government is forbidden to be judge, jury and executioner without any proof to back up their claim...... and that is OK with you to happen without due process?

    In this specific case the government gives itself permission to violate those peoples Constitutional rights? Just on their say so? Without evidence to back it up? Really?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have never understood obamas duplicitous policies on terrorist. If we catch one they get a trial and are afforded all the rights of a criminal that held up a liquor store but if we find where a suspected terrorist is hiding we kill him and everyone around him, makes no sense to me.
    What makes even less sense is that the Obama administration wants known terrorists to stand trial here in the US (with full US rights) but wants to justify killing Americans abroad who are just suspected of working with the terrorists without any proof to justify the assassination.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I don't think it says anything like that. The memo says they need to have evidence that the person is a senior-level official engaged in continuing planning of attacks (it specifically says that evidence they were once involved in a one-time attack is not sufficient). And the memo only covers the situation of an American in a foreign country.
    It says nothing of the sort, in fact it says that intelligence is not needed;

    A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.

    Such is the case with Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, a 16 year old born in Denver whose father was killed by drone strike on Sept 30, 2011....Abdulrahman who had no known ties to any organization was killed in a drone strike on Oct 14, 2011 while eating at an outside cafe.

    There was no evidence he was associated with any group but was the target of a drone strike. The Obama administration tried to push blame of this onto the boys father (who was killed in Yemen by a drone strike stating - "I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well-being of their children," former White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs said to a gaggle of reporters in October. "I don't think becoming an al-Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business."
    So because the boys father was associated with a known group, it is automatically assumed the boy is too?

    Republican Rep. Ron Paul criticized the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, saying: “Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. ... But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it's sad.”
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What I find the most interesting part of this debate is how deeply it's shaped by politics. I can almost guarantee if we had a republican in the white house, the majority (not everyone)of posters here would be giving the exact opposite argument on such a drone program

    It's sad how partisan we have become
    If we had a Republican in the White House, he might respect the constitution and might not do this. Might....

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well it's not necessarily a "license to kill", that is the problem. Governors have the power of life and death in their hands, and the President is authorized to full executive powers within the confines of the Constitution. It's the unchecked power without oversight or balance that is the problem. Our system was designed to set faction upon faction to check each other. Here (like in so many other areas), the President apparently believes that system to be too confining for all the "fundamental change" he wants to make to America.
    You hit the Nail on the head Cpwill and Obama has had no problem thinking he can proceed on everything thinking he can go unchecked.

    Do you think that NDAA with this issue should be a concern for all American Citizens?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    all of it squandered


    war crimes - especially torture - that many of us who were not from the reich wing, wanted brought to international justice. that free pass by Obama was his first major disappointing decision (of many to follow)

    yep, invading the wrong country. fabricating a basis to invade. insisting the VP's former firm (which was still paying him) was the only candidate to perform as a contractor - and then given a no-bid, sole source contract used to defraud the government


    all it was was: torture. which was against international law and treaties we signed


    an American who is also on the side of our nation's enemy is our nation's military enemy. someone we can take out like any other enemy soldier. that's all the memo was about
    you want to make it into something more because it is something Obama appropriated; therefor, to you and your cohort, you must be opposed to it. the same folks who were totally in dicknbush's corner when it came to torture. save your sanctimonious bull ****


    if they survived the battlefield they were either POWs or enemy conspirators entitled to trial. i take it you would have preferred them as POWs ... to be held until the 'war on terror' was officially ended. tell us when that will be


    only once they are captured and off the battle field. then they get the rights of anyone who goes to court. but you would prefer to wipe your ass with the Constitution


    please point out the hypocrisy, as you and your ilk know it first hand
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Heck Yeah - Fourth Amendment Smourth Amendment, am I right!?!
    The conservative response in the Bush era was "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about".

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The conservative response in the Bush era was "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about".
    And my response to that was "If I am doing nothing wrong, then what I do is none of the government's f'n business".
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