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The Earth has been getting warmer -- but how much of that heat is due to greenhouse gas emissions and how much is due to natural causes?A leaked report by a United Nations’ group dedicated to climate studies says that heat from the sun may play a larger role than previously thought.
“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,” reads a draft copy of a major, upcoming report from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).


Read more: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming | Fox News


Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....Who'd have thunk it?.....:mrgreen:

So the question is, why would an international body like the UN be pushing so hard for man made climate change? The answer is in what few know about, called agenda 21.

The two-decade-old United Nations program known as Agenda 21 is relatively unknown to most Americans. but the global plot has the potential to wipe out freedoms of all U.S. citizens.

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Imagine waking up in a country where a high-ranking government official stands in front of citizens and rails against personal property rights:
“The American system of justice must be changed to conform to that of the rest of the world, and there must be a shift in attitudes. Individual wants, needs and desires are to be conformed to the views and dictates of government planners. In the process of implementing Sustainable Development, individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.”
The shocking line that individual rights should be relegated to the rear has actually been attributed to an American high-ranking, public official.

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Agenda 21 openly targets private property — which shouldn’t surprise anyone, considering that the United Nations has railed against individuals owning land for more than 35 years.
A report from a 1976 U.N. conference in Vancouver, British Columbia, on human settlements contains lays out the position:
“Land … cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market.
“Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes.
“The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of society as a whole.”

Agenda 21 exposed in The Blaze Magazine | TheBlaze.com

So you all tell me. I know that those willing, or wanting to mask the "ends" that they are for will attack me for using the Blaze as a source for the secondary piece, but agenda 21 is there for all to read...

Agenda 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it, and do your own research, but this is probably the clearest sign that the UN is a dangerous to freedom, and needs to be dismantled.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

The blogger took the draft report out of context. That report states that some argue for a mechanism that amplifies solar forcing (a natural factor). However, subsequent paragraphs discount that hypothesis. The closing paragraph of that section of Chapter 7 states:

Although there is some evidence that ionization from cosmic rays may enhance aerosol nucleation in the free troposphere, there is medium evidence and high agreement that he cosmic ray-ionization mechanism is too weak to influence global concentrations CCN or their change over the last century or during a solar cycle in any climatically significant way. The lack of trend in the cosmic ray intensity over the last 50 years provides another strong argument agains the hypothesis of a major contribution of cosmic rays to ongoing climate change.

The draft document also notes in its summary for policymakers, "No robust association between changes in cosmic rays and cloudiness has been identified."

In other words, once one reads the draft report's language in its full context, there is no "game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing." The report does not reflect reduced confidence in AGW.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Another Faux report uncritically seized on by deniers? Say it isn't so!
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Yet another "skeptic" who didn't bother going to the primary source.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Once again Fox News misleads, and once again sheeple take the bait.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

P.S. You do not live in the stratosphere.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Another Faux report uncritically seized on by deniers? Say it isn't so!



If you read the article, obviously you did not, then you would have seen that there is a pretty well rounded discussion of the whole topic of Solar Forcing including the reference to the NASA estimate of how much of the warming since 1880 has been due directly to the effect of increased TSI.

Do you EVER read any of the arguments on this stuff?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

The fact that you believe that stuff to be "well rounded" indicates the depth of your knowledge of the subject.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

What caused the end of the last Ice Age?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

What caused the end of the last Ice Age?

Ford Expeditions
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

So you're saying it's not all the cow farts?

Whew.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I do believe early on I suggested a link to solar activity as a possibility and the AGW crowd called me a poo poo head. I think I might have to look for that post......if you order just desserts, who am I not to serve it to you........
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I saw one comment in this thread that has some relevance.
"No robust association between changes in cosmic rays and cloudiness has been identified."
Of course the same statement could be applied to Co2.
"No robust association between changes in the Co2 level and changes in the climate."
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Wow, proven wrong in the second post.

That's gotta be a record.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

I do believe early on I suggested a link to solar activity as a possibility and the AGW crowd called me a poo poo head. I think I might have to look for that post......if you order just desserts, who am I not to serve it to you........

Are you claiming that you were the first to suggest that the sun influences climate?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Another Faux report uncritically seized on by deniers? Say it isn't so!

I'm less concerned about the global warming, and much more concerned that they are actually talking about private property not being private.

To which I'd say, get the hell out of here.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Are you claiming that you were the first to suggest that the sun influences climate?

No, but if it leads to a good argument, I can pretend I was. I invented the internet too BTW.

What I am suggesting is what I said. If you want it in different words: When I suggested here that solar activity may be a contributing factor, some AGW lad here went all stupidly dismissive in that holier than thou "peer reviewed" way because of other solar cycles in the past having had no effect on temperature based on ice core samples or whatever it was.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Global Warming is a scam

Al Gore is laughing all the way to the bank
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Another Faux report uncritically seized on by deniers? Say it isn't so!

But, but, but.... scientists have proven that the sun is hot.

So, you know, heat and warming are the same thing, and so it must be the sun shinning on us makes heat rays warmer.:peace
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Global Warming is a scam

Al Gore is laughing all the way to the bank

Man-made global warming, Y2K, Swine Flu, the Mayan calendar, AIDS killing all heterosexuals, SARS, killer bees......

The same people fall for the same crap every time.

I still want to know what caused the man-made global warming in the dark ages.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

No, but if it leads to a good argument, I can pretend I was. I invented the internet too BTW.

What I am suggesting is what I said. If you want it in different words: When I suggested here that solar activity may be a contributing factor, some AGW lad here went all stupidly dismissive in that holier than thou "peer reviewed" way because of other solar cycles in the past having had no effect on temperature based on ice core samples or whatever it was.

No. Literally nobody said that. You misunderstood.

The trick is to realize that more than one thing affects climate. At any given moment one or more of those factors might have significant influence on the observed trend, and one or more of those factors might have little or no change.

Over the last 50 years the biggest factor has been increasing greenhouse gases.
The 50 years prior to that was primarily solar forcing.

This isn't some new argument I'm fabricating. This has always been the argument. Literally nobody has ever suggested that sun doesn't affect temperature. If at any point this is your interpretation of the argument, your interpretation is wrong.
 
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Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Man-made global warming, Y2K, Swine Flu, the Mayan calendar, AIDS killing all heterosexuals, SARS, killer bees......

The same people fall for the same crap every time.

I still want to know what caused the man-made global warming in the dark ages.

Solar variations. This isn't hard information to discover. (although they don't call that "man-made" for obvious reasons. perhaps your error is in thinking that climate changes can only be natural or man-made, but "either" and "both" are also options)
 
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Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....Who'd have thunk it?.....:mrgreen:

So the question is, why would an international body like the UN be pushing so hard for man made climate change? The answer is in what few know about, called agenda 21.

Weather change denialism AND the Agenda 21 meme. This is a great post for analyzing knownothing rightwing memes.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Weather change denialism AND the Agenda 21 meme. This is a great post for analyzing knownothing rightwing memes.

Not every issue falls into the silly left v right category of thinking you seemingly default to. I know a number of leftists who don't buy into the cult, just as I know a number of right-wingers who do.
 
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